Gothic florin engravers

There are three portraits of Queen Victoria in the Gothic Florin series, described in Maurice Bull’s ESC (Spink, 7th edition) as B, C and D.

Bust B, used from 1852, is undoubtedly the work of William Wyon, and like much of his work is remarkable for its beauty as a work of art. But it was replaced with bust C in 1877 and bust D in 1880 (with a brief return to WW’s original bust B in the gothic florin of 1887). Bust C is sometimes, but by no means always, accompanied by the initials W.W., but Bust D never.

My question is: who was the engraver of busts C and D? Both, and especially C, seem to be of distinctly inferior workmanship to "B". And WW died in 1851 (and therefore probably never even saw the Gothic florin in circulation), so it seems highly unlikely that he was responsible for the later busts C and D.

Could it have been his son, Leonard Charles Wyon, and did he continue to (sometimes) use the initials WW out of some sort of filial devotion to his father? If not LCW, then who? Does anyone know?

Please, give the link to the coin you're talking about?

Quote: "Sjoelund"​Please, give the link to the coin you're talking about?

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The catalogue entry only has one example, so here is a photo of the different portraits, in chronological order from left to right:

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Quote: "Sjoelund"​Please, give the link to the coin you're talking about?

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​The catalogue entry only has one example, so here is a photo of the different portraits, in chronological order from left to right:
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Either that someone else did the later busts but for some reason didn’t put their signatures ​or a family member did the later ones and dedicated them to the original designer.

I suspect Joseph Boehm, did the last busts.

They also added an extra t in britt around 1870 and die numbers appear on some coins from 1871 to 1879. I think the last effigies were likely Leonard Charles Wyon (Some publications call him Charles Wyon).

The gothic shields were designed by someone called William Dyce in 1850. Only a few proof coins came out in 1850, a very limited number in 1851 and 1852 was the first year of major release.

The 1849 Godless Florin was designed in 1848 and a few proofs and essays from that year exist. 1849 was the main issue of 400k coins (A small mintage as to gauge public reaction). As we know Victoria was unimpressed with "Dei Gratia" being left off and it was back to the drawing board - giving us the classic design of 1851 - 1887.

Gothic Florins were slightly larger and thinner than later florins at 29.0mm in size compared to 28.5mm for post 1892 coins. The Jubilee Florin was slightly smaller and thicker at 28.1mm.

Joseph Boehm designed the Jubilee bust which Victoria hated. The Reverse of shields and maces was L.C. Wyon again.

Brock (Old Head effigy) and Poynter (Tails side for Halfcrown, Florin and Shilling) did the old head coinage.

I wrote an article about silver florins for my coin club newsletter and had to research all this.

Quote: "Moneytane"​I suspect Joseph Boehm, did the last busts.
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​They also added an extra t in britt around 1870 and die numbers appear on some coins from 1871 to 1879. I think the last effigies were likely Leonard Charles Wyon (Some publications call him Charles Wyon).
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​The gothic shields were designed by someone called William Dyce in 1850. Only a few proof coins came out in 1850, a very limited number in 1851 and 1852 was the first year of major release.
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​The 1849 Godless Florin was designed in 1848 and a few proofs and essays from that year exist. 1849 was the main issue of 400k coins (A small mintage as to gauge public reaction). As we know Victoria was unimpressed with "Dei Gratia" being left off and it was back to the drawing board - giving us the classic design of 1851 - 1887.
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​Gothic Florins were slightly larger and thinner than later florins at 29.0mm in size compared to 28.5mm for post 1892 coins. The Jubilee Florin was slightly smaller and thicker at 28.1mm.
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​Joseph Boehm designed the Jubilee bust which Victoria hated. The Reverse of shields and maces was L.C. Wyon again.
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​Brock (Old Head effigy) and Poynter (Tails side for Halfcrown, Florin and Shilling) did the old head coinage.
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​I wrote an article about silver florins for my coin club newsletter and had to research all this.

​This is all terrific information. I'm glad to know that Victoria and I seem to be of similar minds on the Jubilee bust. Thanks for sharing this!