Sweden: 5 oere 1866

A conversation between GregbythePond and Sjoelund concerning this coin

N#6148

PM from GregbythePond to Sjoelund

Hi again!

Here is an interesting one, from a recent lot.

My 1866 Sweden 5 Ore does appear to be an overdate, but perhaps 1866 over 1863 (not the 1866/5 that is listed)?

Secondly, it does appear to be a large L.A. over a small L.A.  or a blundered L at least.

I can send more photos if you think it is worthwhile following up.

Cheers

Sjoelund to GregbythePond

I would still vote for the 66/65, please see the images of the 1866 and 1865 below :

Sjoelund to GregbythePond

Hi Greg,

what do you think of this?

From GregbythePond  to sjoelund

Looks great. A bonus birthday present! Thank you.

We'll have to agree to disagree about the 5 vs the 3.

To me, under the last 6 a 5 would have the top of the number sticking out to the right (but maybe the right side corner of the top of the 3 should be sticking out too). I guess this could be checked with and overlay of an 1863.

Under the last 6, there appears to be a diagonal from the top of the 6 to the middle, looking more like a 3, to me.

I also perceived an extra tail on the A, when I looked again.

(Not sure if they're not both just stains though).

Sjoelund to GregbythePond

Have fun, and please come back.

GregbythePond to Sjoelund

That's a nice one!

Yes, but I think your theory about 66/63 is blown?

I don't think that the 3 or the 5 work in my overlays, so it could be either. 🤨

What do you think of the “tail” on the large “A”?

I'll try to take some higher resolution photos of the 1866. 

Here are some new images. More pixels to work with.

I do not manage to make an overlay!

I can't decide on any of the two possibilities, it looks like it might be a smaller “3”, but how would that be possible?

Possibly the coins from 1863 and 1865 have other differences that may be compared with the questionable 1866 to understand a year of “mother stamp”?

Hi Grynia,

you're right of course, but for that we need Greg to send both sides of his coin in high resolution, which he'll certainly do, when he finds the time?

Yes, good point.

The coins in question are the 1863, 1865, 1866 (no overdate) and 1866 (overdate)

Here is my “3”, showing it's neck. The coin is inclined and under high illumination. 

The shiny/reflective “goop” is perhaps old varnish etc.

But, what's interesting to me, is that it appears that the “goop” did not make it beyond the neck of the “3”. 

Or, the “goop” is creating a false impression of a “neck”. 😉

I think an acetone bath is in order.

I think the “new” evidence is clear and there is no “3”. If you zoom in, I believe the tip of the “5” can now be seen peeking out of the top of the six on the right hand side. Very stubborn “goop” to dissolve, but the acetone seems to be working.

A couple of other interesting features; an improper metal mix and (de) lamination, behind Carl's neck on the  obverse.

And a blundered/recut C on CARL.