Unusual 1945 UK - GVI penny

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For many years I have had this unusual 1945 penny in my collection which has always puzzled me and it would be good to receive some views and advice. What has happened here, how, why , when however is pretty clear 😃.

It is 29.5mm. dia. c/w 31mm. (normal), and only 1.1mm. thick c/w 1.9mm.-with thanks in advance.H

 

 

                                                                                                                    

H

I'd wager it's simply a forgery. There are some design inconsistencies: for example the teeth around the outer edge are much longer. You can see this close to Britannia's trident, especially at the left prong.

They also go right to the edge instead of reaching the solid block edge.

 

The colour looks off too. It looks too orange, though I appreciate that may just be the lighting.

 

It might be a contemporary forgery. Memory tells me the year isn't a particularly difficult year to source so unlikely to be modern as it's probably not worth the effort.

Could be deliberate forgery, might just be some guy messing around to see what they could make.

Thanks for your input.

The colour you see is the lustre but looks orangey.

I also wondered about a forgery but why would anyone bother with such a low monetary value and nil rarity, and after all that work use the wrong size material?

The strakes  you see on the reverse  are I think the result of the perimeter dots not forming due to lack of metal. There are no inconsistences (apart from the strakes) that I can spot so I`m inclined to think the real dies were in play here!

Could it be a test piece or a halfpenny blank that slipped through???

H

Oh, I totally agree it seems odd to forge such a low value coin. Even adjusting for inflation, calculators reckon it'd be like forging ~20p coins today. I.e. too small to be worthwhile.

 

The detail does look lacking to me: folds in Britannia's robes, the lines on the shield, lines in the plume of her helmet & on George's hair too. The real coin is fairly worn but you can still pick out some of those details with relative ease. But on the “fake” one, the far side of George's hair looks almost like a singular block.

Its like the biggest details have survived reasonably well but all the finest details have been lost.

 

It looks like someone took a real coin, made a mold of the front & back but messed up the depth. And the pressing they took didn't get the finer details. Possibly cast it in a different cheaper metal explaining the colour.(?)

Why? Who knows.

 

Could be a prototype as you suggest. Perhaps trying thinner coins because of scarcity during WWII. It's possible. But I maintain the forgery is more likely; perhaps more as a test of what they could create more than any desire to defraud someone. I.e. just some bored bloke in his shed messing around for a laugh.

 

You could drop the Royal Mint museum an email with some pics. If there's prototypes, they'll likely have some or at least paper records of the work.

Thanks for your thoughts.

I think the lack of definition could be because there was insufficient material to fill the die (void when closed), it`s very thin!

Oddly, this coin has just popped up on ebay  335319019860, and it also had a thinnish flan(?)/ planchet and shows very similar strakes on the reverse to mine, and could be down on diameter too! 

Bit weird.🤔

H

Looks like the magician coins used with a US 50c piece, carving out the core of a 1d coin

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