Coin or Exonumia (Seychelles)

I was adding a coin to the catalogue yesterday when I was told to ask on the forum if it is a coin or exonumia. This is my first forum post, and it seems like it should be a pretty easy answer too. Here is the coin:     (2014 Seychelles 25 Rupees Giant Gold Gram coin)

Regardless your feelings about Power Coin and their crazy coins sometimes, everything I've added from them has been added to the catalogue with no problem. I even checked the Krause catalogue and they list it in there with it's own KM number (KM145)! 

Here's some links to the coin online:

https://www.powercoin.it/en/africa/1663-gold-gram-giant-china-asia-edition-silver-coin-25-rupees-seychelles-2015.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/coins/comments/197el2y/a_few_of_my_more_interesting_silver_pieces/

At this point, I have no reason to doubt that this one random coin should be added to the catalogue as a coin. Let me know what you guys think!

Who is the issuing authority or is there no issuing authority? The government of the Seychelles or is it private issue? That will tell you everything you need to know and the burden of proof is on you. 

Okay, interesting. I've never been asked about issuing authority (everything I've added I just put unknown) and I've been fine. Even with most other Seychelles coins, there is no issuing authority listed. Since I don't own the coin myself, and there is hardly any information online about the coin, I don't know how I would find out anyway. 

Here is the coin in the Krause catalogue: 

I also added these commemorative coins from the Seychelles yesterday as well with no problem: N#426507 & N#426514  which I found also on the Power Coin website. 

I did find a few other websites with the coin on them (none of them mention issuing authority though):

https://www.intercoins-berlin.de/en/Europe/Poland/Gold/25-Rupees-2015-Seychelles-GOLD-GRAM-GIANT-China-Asia.html

https://numismaticaferrarese.bidinside.com/en/lot/45348/seychelles-25-rupie-2014-gold-gram-gr-321-/

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/seychelles-2014-25-rupees-gold-gram-1759126294

https://www.ma-shops.com/pollandt/item.php?id=72617

What should I do now, since I don't have a way of finding the issuing authority?

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What should I do now, since I don't have a way of finding the issuing authority?

From your link:

Thank you so much, I don't know how I missed the rest of the pictures in that last link. 

That should confirm things, thanks everyone!

Have a great day.

If you can prove it is a Government of Seychelles approved and sanctioned coin, that is the answer. If you cant, it must me listed as Exonumia. It is then up to Numista gods to decide where it belongs. That is what they are there for.

So is this not enough proof? 

I guess we just leave it up to the Numista gods, they've verified over 100 coins to the catalogue that I've added without me verifying if the government's approved them. 

Thanks

Just another observation. I have seen where private companies have claimed they are selling coins that were sanctioned by governments, were very  official looking, and were part of their sales pitch but were in fact not sanctioned by that government. Anybody can produce a phony document. There is no honor among thieves after all.  I am not implying that is the case here but also why Referees must be very careful and why I don't volunteer for that responsibility.

Interesting, I wouldn't have known it would be that technical and detailed. Might make me regret trying to be a referee (I signed up for just the small country of Burkina Faso). Am I going to have to be super careful when doing anything referee related? I may just have to let the master referees handle things. 

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(I signed up for just the small country of Burkina Faso). 

That should be fun.  146 coins in the Numista catalog and zero circulating coins. Got to love a country that produces “coins” like this:

Please don't be discouraged by what my observations are. I wish it were simple but the fact is that too many entries into the catalog are  incomplete or just wrong due to the sheer volume of issues such as what you are entering and adding to the catalog. These obscure coins are produced for collectors for profit and profit only. Between private issuers and government issuers, it is getting quite overwhelming. to the point of absurdity. 30 years from now they will still hold very little additional Numismatic value while still only being worth their melt values.

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(I signed up for just the small country of Burkina Faso). 

That should be fun.  146 coins in the Numista catalog and zero circulating coins. Got to love a country that produces “coins” like this:

 

Niue

lol, I've seen people getting mad about Niue on here. Why they are even allowed to be called coins when they make thousands every year. Pretty crazy. Hopefully a small country with under 200 coins like Burkina Faso shouldn't be too bad to start out with as a beginner referee.

Sorry, I forgot the link:

N#131861

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lol, I've seen people getting mad about Niue on here. Why they are even allowed to be called coins when they make thousands every year. Pretty crazy. Hopefully a small country with under 200 coins like Burkina Faso shouldn't be too bad to start out with as a beginner referee.

They are “allowed” because they are government issued. Absurd. Somewhere there needs to be a line drawn and I have argued this for years to no avail.

Yeah. It's a similar thing to countries like Fiji, Samoa, Chad, Cameroon, Solomon Islands, etc. that authorize companies to make (albeit sometimes really cool and unique pieces), thousands of coins that will never even be seen in their country of origin. It gets pretty crazy sometimes.