Two issuers called "Malay Peninsula" [solved]

Currently there are two issuers with the same name, I guess one should be renamed to avoid confusion

Malay Peninsula, Merchant tokens that circulated in colonial territories:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?e=malay_peninsula

Malay Peninsula, the tin coins from Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/peninsule_malaise-1.html 

I guess one of them should be renamed. Maybe the referee of Malaysia could give a proper name.

poke @by.abay  and @The_One 

Malay Peninsula is a legacy classification which is kinda stuck around😅 The question is that these coins have ambiguous issuer and range of geographic use while Numista does not allow multiple geopolitical designation. 

For the Merchant tokens, it has more documentation that it was produced by British actors and so putting it within British Indies made some sense. But then it is further classified into Sumatra, Sulawesi, Malay peninsula etc which a bit misleading since all of them are use simultaneously across Malaysia and Indonesia afaik.

The tin coin is in the legacy classification. This type of imitation is also found and probably also produced in Indonesia, so “Malay peninsula” is definitely not correct. I am fine with emptying this category altogether but dont know where to reclassify the coins since it is unclear who made them. If we change the name to a more correct, broader term like “Malay archipelago”, then it would be wrong to put that under Malaysia exclusively since the term encompasses Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei and Timor

Geison

Currently there are two issuers with the same name, I guess one should be renamed to avoid confusion

 

Malay Peninsula, Merchant tokens that circulated in colonial territories:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?e=malay_peninsula

 

Malay Peninsula, the tin coins from Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/peninsule_malaise-1.html 

 

I guess one of them should be renamed. Maybe the referee of Malaysia could give a proper name.

It seems the first link is for the milled coins in Malay Peninsula made during or after the modern colonial age in the 1800s, while the second link is more for the ancient (or cast) coins made for Malay Peninsula that are older than the coins from the first link.

My problem though, is that all the coins in the first link are all labeled as emergency coinage, which was categorized under exonumia in Malaysia before the update. Ever since the update, I am technically no longer in charge of the emergency coins, although I asked to be Malaysia exonumia referee partly because of them.

Thanks

My understanding is that I can merge both under an issuer called “Malay archipelago” right?

Not that matters, but in my personal collection I separated as “Malay Peninsula - Merchant Coinage” and “Malay Peninsula” splited in “Srivijaya Empire” and  “Cash Imitations”.

I am against generalizations (merging everything in a junk drawer). But anything you guysdo  will be great. I just think same names are confusing.

I agree with Geison for not merging the two as one.
 

Perhaps rename the Malay peninsula under Malaysia as “Malay Peninsula (pre-colonial)”? While the Malay Peninsula under British East Indies remains unchanged?

The_One

I agree with Geison for not merging the two as one.
 

Perhaps rename the Malay peninsula under Malaysia as “Malay Peninsula (pre-colonial)”? While the Malay Peninsula under British East Indies remains unchanged?

But, you said that both were in fact not limited to the peninsula but extended to the whole archipelago ?

Compendium

The_One

I agree with Geison for not merging the two as one.
 

Perhaps rename the Malay peninsula under Malaysia as “Malay Peninsula (pre-colonial)”? While the Malay Peninsula under British East Indies remains unchanged?

But, you said that both were in fact not limited to the peninsula but extended to the whole archipelago ?

I believe by.abay, who mentioned about it, would know. Although I have to add that Malay Archipelago would not include Malay Peninsula geographically.

I only mentioned coins under Malaysia- Malay Peninsula are older (some old enough to be considered ancient coins) than coins under British East Indies- Malay Peninsula. Since some issuers are name with its time period labeled to differentiate from their predecessors/successors (e.g. United States vs United States (pre-federal)), I suggest one with older coins be renamed as Malay Peninsula (pre-colonial).

Those exceptions (like “pre federal”) are bad editorial speaking imo and should remain the most limited possible 

You are right it should be Maritime Southeast Asia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Southeast_Asia

The_One

I agree with Geison for not merging the two as one.
 

Perhaps rename the Malay peninsula under Malaysia as “Malay Peninsula (pre-colonial)”? While the Malay Peninsula under British East Indies remains unchanged?

I am somewhat inclined towards this. 

the Bazaruco N#108298 is an exception and perhaps should be moved to Netherland East Indies? https://en.numista.com/catalogue/netherland_east_indies-1.html since the description said it was dutch counterfeit.

The rest are tin coins stay and change “Malay peninsula” to “Maritime Southeast Asia.” I do not suggest “pre colonial” since some of this are made well into the colonial period, this for example N#107529 is probably one of the extremely crude Palembang/Jambi/Bangka coins made when Dutch and English has already established based in the area and was probably used in both sides of the Malay straits. It was previously under Palembang and I changed the location to here.

Compendium

Those exceptions (like “pre federal”) are bad editorial speaking imo and should remain the most limited possible 

 

You are right it should be Maritime Southeast Asia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Southeast_Asia

 

I can adapt whatever changes coming up to better suit the latest major update in catalogue categories. The term “Maritime Southeast Asia” sounds great.

I updated the name

Let me know if I should merge (we should merge if the Malay peninsula coins circulated all over Maritime SE Asia too)