It may have been suggested before, and perhaps just not enough people collect them. But would it be possible to have a Note option added under the bullion category, rather than classifying these as bars?
The classification really does not matter too much to me other than the fact that I do not get the field to input the bank note serials and have to use the private note field.
But they are starting to release more and more of these every year and it would be nice.
Thanks again for the amazing work on the site and for taking the time to read my silly idea
"All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
I believe we should re-categorize the Goldback into paper exonumia.
Our guidelines still need to be adapted to the new categories, but the idea that prevailed with the older categories is the following: if it's flexible, it's a banknote or paper exonumia.
So I would rather make a new category for them inside “Paper exonumia”. Actually they are similar to other alternative currencies, which are currently categorized as “trade vouchers” (example: N#221445). We may want to create a subcategory “Paper exonumia > Alternative currencies”.
We should probably rename the category “paper exonumia” though. The Goldbacks are made of polymer (with a think foil of gold inside), not paper. I'm not sure what name could cover both paper and polymer (and other flexible materials).
Another issue with Goldbacks is that we don't have a way to specify their composition. For example, N#389858 is registered with a composition of Gold (.999), which is wrong (it's gold .999 inside polymer) and a weight of 0.0311 grams, which is wrong too (that's only the weight of the gold content inside the polymer).
If we categorize them in a sub-category of paper exonumia, this hack won't work anymore. We should probably create a new banknote material specific for the Goldbacks “Gold-deposited polymer”, and “Silver-deposited polymer” for Silverbacks.
I believe we should re-categorize the Goldback into paper exonumia.
Our guidelines still need to be adapted to the new categories, but the idea that prevailed with the older categories is the following: if it's flexible, it's a banknote or paper exonumia.
So I would rather make a new category for them inside “Paper exonumia”. Actually they are similar to other alternative currencies, which are currently categorized as “trade vouchers” (example: N#221445). We may want to create a subcategory “Paper exonumia > Alternative currencies”.
We should probably rename the category “paper exonumia” though. The Goldbacks are made of polymer (with a think foil of gold inside), not paper. I'm not sure what name could cover both paper and polymer (and other flexible materials).
Another issue with Goldbacks is that we don't have a way to specify their composition. For example, N#389858 is registered with a composition of Gold (.999), which is wrong (it's gold .999 inside polymer) and a weight of 0.0311 grams, which is wrong too (that's only the weight of the gold content inside the polymer).
If we categorize them in a sub-category of paper exonumia, this hack won't work anymore. We should probably create a new banknote material specific for the Goldbacks “Gold-deposited polymer”, and “Silver-deposited polymer” for Silverbacks.
(I do not know what is the correct spelling in English.)
I had thought about suggesting "Exonumia Notes" but then I was looking and Exonumia also includes tickets and tokens.
So my thinking would be Exonumia > Exonumia Notes, Exonumia Tokens, Exonumia Coines, etc.
Or another idea is just a "Miscelaneous Exonumia" as kind of a catch-all?
I know that making these kinds of changes on sites with large databases like this one can be a lot of work and difficult so whatever can be done with the least amount of changes is probably going to make the admins and developers very happy haha.
"All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
I leave the renaming of “paper exonumia” for later.
In the meantime, I created the category “Paper exonumia > Embedded‑asset notes > Bullion-embedded notes” and the compositions “gold‑deposited polymer” and “silver‑deposited polymer”. I modified the goldbacks and silverbacks accordingly: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?cat=y&st=224
We don't have a field for the weight and fineness of the gold deposited on the polymer. Registering the weight of each material in items made of multiple materials is a more general problem. See for example N#23057 and N#163891. For the moment, I believe it's enough to just rely on the lettering field.
I have a handfull of pending additions that were copied from one of the Zombuck silverback notes. It does not look like I can change it to this by doing an edit.
Should I just leave them pending? Is this something a referee can adjust on the back end? Or would I be better off deleting those requests and re-creating them by duplicating the notes you modified?
"All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Goldback notes are actually official issues authorised by various states in the U.S.A..
Where do you have this info from? I only know they are a privately made commercial product sold at a premium (about 100%) and has not been adopted by any state government (there is some Utah laws but that's about any gold and silver).
Goldback notes are actually official issues authorised by various states in the U.S.A..
Where do you have this info from? I only know they are a privately made commercial product sold at a premium (about 100%) and has not been adopted by any state government (there is some Utah laws but that's about any gold and silver).
Goldback notes are actually official issues authorised by various states in the U.S.A..
Where do you have this info from? I only know they are a privately made commercial product sold at a premium (about 100%) and has not been adopted by any state government (there is some Utah laws but that's about any gold and silver).
“The Goldback has not been adopted by any state government; it is privately issued and developed to be used at the local state level”
"All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
The Goldbacks were placed in the Bullion category so that they would show a bullion value for the small amount of Gold or silver they contain. Under the current category under Paper Exonumia a bullion value is no longer listed. Are these to be considered to have no bullion value now?
The Goldbacks were placed in the Bullion category so that they would show a bullion value for the small amount of Gold or silver they contain. Under the current category under Paper Exonumia a bullion value is no longer listed. Are these to be considered to have no bullion value now?
This is a very good point!, I did notice that my total gold weight dropped in the collection page.
"All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Another issue with Goldbacks is that we don't have a way to specify their composition. For example, N#389858 is registered with a composition of Gold (.999), which is wrong (it's gold .999 inside polymer) and a weight of 0.0311 grams, which is wrong too (that's only the weight of the gold content inside the polymer).
If we categorize them in a sub-category of paper exonumia, this hack won't work anymore. We should probably create a new banknote material specific for the Goldbacks “Gold-deposited polymer”, and “Silver-deposited polymer” for Silverbacks.
A good guess is that they are using vapor deposition (also known as sputter coating) to put the miniscule amounts of metal on the polymer, then sealing it in.
I wonder if there are any provisions in the state legislation for checking how much gold is really in these products? 😉
Status changed to Implemented(Xavier, 8 Ağu 2025, 11:45)
