All 4 of these Thaler pages are not well catalogued on numista

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These four pages are not well cataloged on numista

N#185789

N#102717
N#116653
N#185691

I have made as much research on these as I can with auctions and my Krause and Davenport book ( I unfortunately do not have the Zöttl book )

 

Photos from my books:

 

here are my studies:

 

Reorganization of Salzburg Thaler Pages

Sigismund III

Dav 1258 - 1261

Rev: Singular crowned and mantled arms

I do not own the Zöttl book so I am going based of auctions for those reference numbers.

*1761  ( KM# 402, Dav# 1259) No auctions of it so no idea of Zöttl number nor where it would go

Each page that should exist based on my research plus the variants that I could find.

- 1765 (KM# 403.2, Dav# 1258, Zöttl# 3003) date above crest https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3505880

- 1765 (KM# 402, Dav# 1259, Zöttl# 3001, 3002, 3004) Date below: nothing dividing date + no edge inscription 
+ 1765 Ref: Zöttl# 3001 (no die cutter initials: not listed by Krause nor Davenport) https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9426/lot/3291
+ 1765 FM Ref: Zöttl# 3002 (die cutter initials: small date) https://www.numisbids.com/sale/8602/lot/?lot=5512
+ 1765 FMK Ref: Zöttl# 3004 (die cutter initials: large date) https://www.numisbids.com/sale/8921/lot/?lot=779

- 1766  (KM# 402, Dav# 1259, Zöttl 3005, 3006, 3008) Date below: star divides date + no edge inscription 
+ 1766 FMK Ref: Zöttl# 3005 (die cutter initials: not listed by Krause nor Davenport) https://www.numisbids.com/sale/6584/lot/?lot=972
+ 1766 Ref: Zöttl# 3006 (no die cutter initials: listed by Krause but not Davenport) https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9426/lot/3292
+ 1766 FM Ref: Zottl# 3008 (die cutter initials: listed by Davenport but not Krause) [with the fact that 3007 is a 1767 date it might be that this 1766 has a lettered edge and the (3007) 1767 does not: need to check Zöttl book] https://www.numisbids.com/sale/8921/lot/?lot=780

- 1767 (KM# 418, Dav# 1260, Zöttl# 3014a) Date below: dashes on either side of date with arms and dash below dividing date + no edge inscription https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9450/lot/1917

- 1767 (KM# 402, Dav# 1259, Zöttl# 3007, 3012) Date below: star divides date + edge inscription SUUM CUIQUE
+ 1767 Ref: Zöttl# 3007 (no die cutter initials)
[with the fact that 3008 is a 1766 date it might be that this 1767 does not have a lettered edge and the (3008) 1766 does: need to check Zöttl book] https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9342/lot/?lot=516
+ 1767 Ref: Zöttl# 3012 (no die cutter initials)
[with the note on 3007 this variant might be the version with edge lettering] https://www.numisbids.com/sale/3377/lot/?lot=4118
+ 1767 FM (die cutter initials) [listed in Krause but I can not find an auction of this so I do not know the Zöttl reference number]

- 1768 (KM# 402, Dav# 1259, Zöttl# 3013) Date below: dot divides date + edge inscription SUUM CUIQUE https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9426/lot/3293

- 1769 (KM# 402, Dav# 1259, Zottl# 3014) Date below: arms with star below dividing date + edge inscription SUUM CUIQUE https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9203/lot/?lot=716

(For coins under Davenport 1261 there would be too many variants with different edge and date combos that I would like to see the Zöttl book before making separate groupings for it)

silvergeek

These four pages are not well cataloged on numista

N#185789

N#102717
N#116653
N#185691

I have made as much research on these as I can with auctions and my Krause and Davenport book ( I unfortunately do not have the Zöttl book )

 

Photos from my books:

 

here are my studies:

 

Reorganization of Salzburg Thaler Pages

Sigismund III

Dav 1258 - 1261

Rev: Singular crowned and mantled arms

I do not own the Zöttl book so I am going based of auctions for those reference numbers.

*1761  ( KM# 402, Dav# 1259) No auctions of it so no idea of Zöttl number nor where it would go

Each page that should exist based on my research plus the variants that I could find.

- 1765 (KM# 403.2, Dav# 1258, Zöttl# 3003) date above crest https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3505880

- 1765 (KM# 402, Dav# 1259, Zöttl# 3001, 3002, 3004) Date below: nothing dividing date + no edge inscription 
+ 1765 Ref: Zöttl# 3001 (no die cutter initials: not listed by Krause nor Davenport) https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9426/lot/3291
+ 1765 FM Ref: Zöttl# 3002 (die cutter initials: small date) https://www.numisbids.com/sale/8602/lot/?lot=5512
+ 1765 FMK Ref: Zöttl# 3004 (die cutter initials: large date) https://www.numisbids.com/sale/8921/lot/?lot=779

- 1766  (KM# 402, Dav# 1259, Zöttl 3005, 3006, 3008) Date below: star divides date + no edge inscription 
+ 1766 FMK Ref: Zöttl# 3005 (die cutter initials: not listed by Krause nor Davenport) https://www.numisbids.com/sale/6584/lot/?lot=972
+ 1766 Ref: Zöttl# 3006 (no die cutter initials: listed by Krause but not Davenport) https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9426/lot/3292
+ 1766 FM Ref: Zottl# 3008 (die cutter initials: listed by Davenport but not Krause) [with the fact that 3007 is a 1767 date it might be that this 1766 has a lettered edge and the 3007 1767 does not: need to check Zöttl book] https://www.numisbids.com/sale/8921/lot/?lot=780

- 1767 (KM# 418, Dav# 1260, Zöttl# 3014a) Date below: dashes on either side of date with arms and dash below dividing date + no edge inscription https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9450/lot/1917

- 1767 (KM# 402, Dav# 1259, Zöttl# 3007, 3012) Date below: star divides date + edge inscription SUUM CUIQUE
+ 1767 Ref: Zöttl# 3007 (no die cutter initials)
[with the fact that 3008 is a 1766 date it might be that this 1767 does not have a lettered edge and the 3008 1766 does not: need to check Zöttl book] https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9342/lot/?lot=516
+ 1767 Ref: Zöttl# 3012 (no die cutter initials)
[with the note on 3007 this variant might be the version with edge lettering] https://www.numisbids.com/sale/3377/lot/?lot=4118
+ 1767 FM (die cutter initials) [listed in Krause but I can not find an auction of this so I do not know the Zöttl reference number)

- 1768 (KM# 402, Dav# 1259, Zöttl# 3013) Date below: dot divides date + edge inscription SUUM CUIQUE https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9426/lot/3293

- 1769 (KM# 402, Dav# 1259, Zottl# 3014) Date below: arms with star below dividing date + edge inscription SUUM CUIQUE https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9203/lot/?lot=716

(For coins under Davenport 1261 there would be too many variants with different edge and date combos that I would like to see the Zöttl book before making separate groupings for it)

@SouthViking found out these pages needed to be reworked because a new friend of mine got one of the 1767 thalers with edge lettering and the only 1767 date for numista was under completely wrong Davenport and Krause numbers.

The aforementioned thaler

@SouthViking  ? 

Hi, thanks for notifying me. I have the Zöttl books and I did a clean-up to match the various types listed in Zöttl. I still have a few things to update.

SouthViking

Hi, thanks for notifying me. I have the Zöttl books and I did a clean-up to match the various types listed in Zöttl. I still have a few things to update.

I would try and make pages closer to my groupings if that is possible the difference between these would be in edge variety or overall variety like the versions I grouped together with the star dividing date

Salzburg bishopric also has 21 coin without type set.

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