Quote: "Ghawk97"Netherlands New Guinea doesn't have it's own page despite having its own coins and currency from that of Dutch East Indies. So will it have its own catalog?
As far as I can tell, they did not issue any coins, only banknotes.
You might be thinking of the coins of West Irian under Indonesian rule (which are currently listed under Indonesia, but might theoretically end up as their own country).
Quote: "January First-of-May"As far as I can tell, they did not issue any coins, only banknotes.
You might be thinking of the coins of West Irian under Indonesian rule (which are currently listed under Indonesia, but might theoretically end up as their own country).
Yes, that is West Irian is what I meant and I do think it should have its own country.
Jarcek, this has been a thread on more than one occasion. Most recently we discissed this in the forum and were told this would be a tier 2 or 3 country once we began to ecpand country listings. These coins of Irian Jaya and such were not issued as part of the Indonesian rupiah. We have been patient for the new country. I hope we will research the forum and not forget this country.
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As a not-quite-member of the 300 club, I hope that Riau gets its own country listing before the big reorganization, because I'm trying to make it to 300 countries before it becomes too easy (currently only up to 293), and I found some Riau coins in my collection today
[Other countries in my collection that Numista doesn't separate: British Guiana (Guyana), Portuguese Guinea (Guinea-Bissau), Muscat and Oman (Oman), RSFSR (USSR), Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (Yugoslavia), Swedish Riga (Swedish Livonia). I do kind of understand the last four, however.
And my small Tver pulo is listed under Moscow, but, again, it does make sense chronologically.]
(Literally found, by the way - I thought I had already entered those, but apparently I didn't, and somehow I didn't realize they were Riau before either. Bought a few months ago, as plain Indonesia, for about $1 per coin...)
Quote: "ALLRED1950"This is not the best for information. But does list it under Indonesia
It does list 5 coins
Still, at one time, it was not apart of Indonesia, so it should be justification to be listed as a separate nation.
This is new for me - so it was not JUST part of Indonesia, it was a country, that merged into it? That would make it second level country, and that we can create already. Anyone has same info on Riau coins?
For the reorganization - I believe we could say it is ongoing. Just slowly - Crusader and Mongol states were splitted last time.
Riau and Irian Jaya even had money systems that may have shared names with Indonesia but were in fact based on different valued currencies. This is well discussed in the other threads. They both deserve their time as individual countries.
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Quote: "Subha Barua"I don'tlike this suggestion! They were never independent countries! It should be catalogued into Indonesia.
Sure, and German New Guinea was never an independent country either. Should it be catalogued into Germany?
Less snarkily, I don't see why West Irian and Riau have any less claims of being separate coin-issuing countries than Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man, or Gibraltar. (Or, you know, all the other assorted British islands with their own coins. Or for a non-British example, Aruba.)
I'm pretty sure that Gibraltar, or Aruba for that matter, also was never an independent country.
(OTOH, we do count North Peru and South Peru together, when they probably were independent...)
Quote: "Subha Barua"I don'tlike this suggestion! They were never independent countries! It should be catalogued into Indonesia.
Sure, and German New Guinea was never an independent country either. Should it be catalogued into Germany?
Less snarkily, I don't see why West Irian and Riau have any less claims of being separate coin-issuing countries than Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man, or Gibraltar. (Or, you know, all the other assorted British islands with their own coins. Or for a non-British example, Aruba.)
I'm pretty sure that Gibraltar, or Aruba for that matter, also was never an independent country.
(OTOH, we do count North Peru and South Peru together, when they probably were independent...)
Good point. Definition of country is always tough.
Does anyone have the latest on this? I can see Irian Jaya listed under Indonesia as a subheading, but no such subheading for Riau. When these countries issued coins, it was to different monetary standards than that of Indonesia, of which they were not yet a part.
These should really be treated in a manner that honors their distinction. Indonesia had their own currency system. and while I cannot off the top of my head recall, although it is discussed at length in related threads here on Numista, the other two entities had a currency system that was linked to Malay and British Borneo, while the other was linked to the Dutch Guilder. at no time were either of these currencies related or ever linked to the Indonesian Rupiah.
I hope this can be addressed.
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OklahomanDoes anyone have the latest on this? I can see Irian Jaya listed under Indonesia as a subheading, but no such subheading for Riau. When these countries issued coins, it was to different monetary standards than that of Indonesia, of which they were not yet a part.
These should really be treated in a manner that honors their distinction. Indonesia had their own currency system. and while I cannot off the top of my head recall, although it is discussed at length in related threads here on Numista, the other two entities had a currency system that was linked to Malay and British Borneo, while the other was linked to the Dutch Guilder. at no time were either of these currencies related or ever linked to the Indonesian Rupiah.
I hope this can be addressed.
Riau has its own currency for only for 1 year from 1963 to 1964, the Government of Indonesia issues special KRRp money because the area is directly adjacent to Singapore and Malaysia. This was also inseparable from the political situation at that time when Indonesia had a confrontation with the 2 neighboring countries.
