We've had threads in the past about this before, and the answer's been a consistent no, but I genuinely believe the Numista format is far more compact, tidy and user-friendly datawise. I believe there is desire among community members for a sister site to Numista catering to notaphily, so although it's easier said than done, I went on Paintbrush and came back with this:
(Don't get too excited, the address is a fake!)
Ideally this new sister site would be connected to Numista and members here would have the option of opening an account there, with identical tabs and functions regarding swaps etc.
I'm not advocating for such a site on this thread, which is just to show how the Numista layout can work great for notes as well. Even if this is just a pipe dream, at least it's an interesting one.
Even though I don’t actively collect banknotes, I feel that Numista would be more complete if it had a banknote section too! So I don’t think a sister site should be created but that these be included on this site.
I like the suggestion for the banknote page layout though.
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Quote: "Stavros" I don’t think a sister site should be created but that these be included on this site.
I think it would be too messy to add banknotes on the same site, especially since many here only collect coins.
By creating a susyer site we can then attract thise who only collect banknotes. I have always seen a sister site as the besg, and only, solution. Very much like omnicoin.com and banknotebank.com. Same design, and easy to switch between them
Yeah, that looks awesome, other than some minor quirks like "My coins" tab .
In the place of "Engraver" we could have "Printer" (e.g. Thomas de la Rue, American Banknote Company, etc.), and of course there should be translation boxes just like for coins here on Numista.
Some specific fields to be added (probably not in the right box, as text could be too long):
- watermark
- security thread
Just wondering about "shape", I guess there might be some square notes (but that you can see from dimensions), but are there any other shapes around? Otherwise it could be left out.
And I would use "material" instead of "paper" to designate what it is made out of.
For layout, I would let the banknotes use up the whole width of the page and move the box below or put the two pictures underneath each other. Unlike coins they need a bit more space horizontally ...
PS I like the totally overvalued banknote prices on NumisCorner (shouldn't that also become NotisCorner ;))
PPS Let's keep pushing and suggesting this, hope one day (in a future not too far away) Xavier will give in to scrap-paper collectors.
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No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
Quote: "BramVB"PPS Let's keep pushing and suggesting this, hope one day (in a future not too far away) Xavier will give in to scrap-paper collectors.
Hell yeah!
Or even just get his permission to recycle the existing Numista format, and have someone skilled in web design to do the rest.
About material, I think that "Paper" would be the overwhelming majority and thus a default, but sometimes if it's known the composition could be included, such as how I read that US currency is 75% cotton and 25% linen, something like that.
Quote: "CassTaylor"About material, I think that "Paper" would be the overwhelming majority and thus a default, but sometimes if it's known the composition could be included, such as how I read that US currency is 75% cotton and 25% linen, something like that.
@SRL It's good, other than the Lorem ipsum blah blah blah text. Otherwise I might suggest a few edits to the header decoration; these banknotes are the ones I would use (in no particular order):
+ a few modern notes to mix it up; have them al in different sizes some overlapping like the coins in the Numista header, I think it would look great.
The 10000 Francs Bonaparte appears in the header of pretty much every French coin and banknote dealer's Ebay or online boutique, it's very striking I guess.
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Quote: "ngdawa" Posted: 4-Oct-2015"
Since banknote collecting is called "notaphily", what about "notaphilista", or "notaphista", or just simply "notaphily"?
Quote: "jokinen"The Greek word for coin is nomisma, and for banknote is chartonomisma. So is chartonumista an option?
Why using Greek all of a sudden? The word for coin collecting is called Numismatics, so therefore Numista is a great name. If we wan to go in the same pattern we can't all of a sudden go Greek. The word for paper money (banknote) collecting is notaphily. That's why I, in 2015 (see post above), suggested names like Notaphilista, Notaphista, which are (almost) following the same pattern: Numismatics-Numista | Notaphily-Notaphista.
Quote: "jokinen"The Greek word for coin is nomisma, and for banknote is chartonomisma. So is chartonumista an option?
Why using Greek all of a sudden? The word for coin collecting is called Numismatics, so therefore Numista is a great name. If we wan to go in the same pattern we can't all of a sudden go Greek. The word for paper money (banknote) collecting is notaphily. That's why I, in 2015 (see post above), suggested names like Notaphilista, Notaphista, which are (almost) following the same pattern: Numismatics-Numista | Notaphily-Notaphista.
The discussion started May 1 2011. Xavier has commented 0 times. But we were so close. People wanted it so bad they were prepared to buy a domain name. The will was there, but without Xavier's approval there was nothing we could do. Now, 7 years later since this discussion started, I reckon it's about time!
This is how it sounded in 2015:
Quote: "ahmedcoin Posted: 25-Oct-2012"Hello,
I don't have plans to include paper money in Numista. That's a too big project, which I am not interested in.
Best regards,
Xavier
This is a message I got as an answer when I suggested the concept back in Nov. 2011 x-|
Quote: "dptashny Posted: 4-Sep-2015"numisnote.com is not taken!
Quote: "Morgenritter Posted: 26-Sep-2015"Give me the go and I will start working on it.
Quote: "dptashny Posted: 27-Sep-2015"If there are no objections to Numisnote, I'll buy it.
Quote: "Morgenritter Posted: 3-Oct-2015"Quick update: I am working on the database system.
I reckon it's really sad that Xavier were working against us all this time. But now is the time, yeah! Numista has been stronger and more stable and is attracting more and more users. Many who also collect banknotes. So let's fight harder this time!
Quote: "ngdawa"The discussion started May 1 2011. Xavier has commented 0 times. But we were so close. People wanted it so bad they were prepared to buy a domain name. The will was there, but without Xavier's approval there was nothing we could do. Now, 7 years later since this discussion started, I reckon it's about time!
This is how it sounded in 2015:
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I reckon it's really sad that Xavier were working against us all this time. But now is the time, yeah! Numista has been stronger and more stable and is attracting more and more users. Many who also collect banknotes. So let's fight harder this time!
Sad!
But yeah, I have a feeling it could work out this time - I mean we got ourselves a banknotes forum, which is a big deal I suppose; it also proves how a lot of our members would appreciate and participate in a Banknotes partner site.
Quote: "CassTaylor"But yeah, I have a feeling it could work out this time - I mean we got ourselves a banknotes forum, which is a big deal I suppose; it also proves how a lot of our members would appreciate and participate in a Banknotes partner site.
Yeah, me too! We've come a long way since 2015, and many dreams and milestones has been fullfilled since 2011. Like you said, we've even got our banknote forum, so we surely are on the right track.
Hopefully the member from the 4 year long fight 2011-2015, who were about to create a site, are still with us and still got the will to do this. I mean, even though Xavier's not interested in it, he just has to give us an OK and the keys, and we can fix the rest ourselves. Right?
The way I'm thinking is that if we build it just like Numista, one of two things will happen:
1) It stays as a separate website where we can catalogue our bank notes. We are all better than we are now. Small "yay"
2) Numista is so proud of our work and initiative and, since the setup effort is already done and COMPATIBLE with the Numista database, it decides to merge both databases under one website. We are all much better than we are now. Bigger "yay."
The community wins either way. So, if I can help, please count me in.
Quote: "Jasanche"Hello,
The way I'm thinking is that if we build it just like Numista, one of two things will happen:
1) It stays as a separate website where we can catalogue our bank notes. We are all better than we are now. Small "yay"
2) Numista is so proud of our work and initiative and, since the setup effort is already done and COMPATIBLE with the Numista database, it decides to merge both databases under one website. We are all much better than we are now. Bigger "yay."
The community wins either way. So, if I can help, please count me in.
John
Hear Hear!
I'm not much use with graphic design or website constructing but I'd be more than glad to help add listings to a banknote catalogue as well as referee for them much in the same way as I've been adding to and refereeing for the issuers that I'm responsible for here.
Quote: "Muenzenhamster"in a perfect world there is a banknotesite without referees.........
that would be chaos and faaaaaaaaaaaaar from perfect..imagine the numista catalog without referees - it would change every day and we wouldn't find anything.. syria 1 pound would change to syria 1 lira, which would then chance to syria 1 līra and then līrah just to be syrian pound again a few days later..i don't even want to think of all varieties of qirsh/qirush/qurush we would see in a week..and they would be all different depending on country..perfect? nah, i don't think so..
Quote: "BramVB"PS I like the totally overvalued banknote prices on NumisCorner (shouldn't that also become NotisCorner ;))
I'm glad someone else noticed this. I laughed and laughed. Very witty, SquareRootLolly!
I kept it since there is a site for NumisCorner.
Our only concern now is whether to open a new website for Notista. A decision is needed from Xavier - if we make a site ourselves, some money from someone has to be gone.
Sadly, all that would have to be done would be to create a new money system for each country and call it currency. It would automatically index all notes so that they would show up at the bottom of a countries listings. And then we could use the existing template for coins. Granted it would not be perfect...but instantly it would be better than every other program out there. And it would have the ability to be swapped because of this sight. I am sure the folks here could make a pape money template and listers could toggle between it and the coin template to list items. I really dont tho k it would take long at all. We could even just start with current managers managing these paper listings as well...or even have paper only countries...then the table of contents could be written in black for coins of Poland for example. And a blue table listing of Poland written in blue for banknotes of Poland.
I really think this would help this webaited, not hurt it. We already push a button to go from English to French...cant be that hard to push a button to go from coin to note.
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I haven't commented on this yet, but I think this idea is perfect. I just borrowed a book with almost all the Finnish banknotes from 1790, and I would like to add them into numista- notista(?)
There really arent many sites for banknotes.
Resurrecting this thread- let's try and make this a reality before we enter the 20s.
As discussed over here we'd need first of all someone who knows the basics of website building; we don't necessarily have to copy Numista's template since Xavier's permission may not be here, but it's good enough if it's inspired by Numista, and if we have the same contributors and members from our community here working on that.
If anyone has said web-building skills, then please do step forward, we don't want to have to use wix.com.
- Why bother creating yet another site when you could instead go and contribute to an existing site?
- Why bother creating one from scratch when it would be rather trivial for Xavier to create it, especially since it could share the existing forum?
- Where is the motivation to work on this for someone who is not a banknote collector themselves?
- Who is going to pay for hosting?
- Who is going to admin it?
Quote: "Houseofham"- Why bother creating yet another site when you could instead go and contribute to an existing site?
- Why bother creating one from scratch when it would be rather trivial for Xavier to create it, especially since it could share the existing forum?
- Where is the motivation to work on this for someone who is not a banknote collector themselves?
- Who is going to pay for hosting?
- Who is going to admin it?
Allow me:
1. Banknotes are inherently different from coins, and would be better suited to separate page and catalogue functions. What would we do with the "thickness" field on a banknote's page, for example? So rather than add banknotes to Numista, I believe a parallel site would be best.
2. This project doesn't actually have Xavier's backing, so we're on our own. Hopefully one day it would become associated with Numista, but let's learn to walk before we try to run.
3. No one's forcing anyone who isn't interested to work on it.
4. Good question, and probably the most important one long-term.
5. Presumably one or a few of the major contributors.
I don't have much to contribute but want to just add my support for this idea.
No offence to anyone who is affiliated or works on Colnect but it is super clunky and painful to use (in my opinion, of course.) I have given up on it for now! So a Notista alternative would be amazing!
It would be better if it had Xavier's support at least, even if he didn't want to put the super-high amount of development work into doing it himself...
Having been involved with website design and build in the past it is a full lifetime's work to make it good. (I am terrible at it, before you ask!)
Maybe we could formalise it.
- List of people that are interested in helping
- anything they can offer
-ideas for how the Numista design and layout would be similar but adapted
- answers to any questions or issues raised.
- number of active users on Colnect for banknotes and how they could be 'approached'
- where adverts would be positioned to offset hosting and domain costs
That might focus the idea. Xavier has a lifetimes worth of coding to make this platform work, there would be a bunch of changes but it would be sooo much easier to adapt his code to change field names e.t.c. than it would be to start from scratch.
Maybe if we had a clear plan and answers to questions, Xavier might consider. It's 100% got to be the amount of work that puts him off, what else? The more similar we can keep the format, the less work it will be.
I don't have many notes and only lightly collect them but I would definitely use it and probably get addicted to that as well
Just my immediate thoughts
Maybe? Maybe?
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