Austria 2 groschen 1965 proof [solved]

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theloosehorse
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 13:59 #
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Hi. The date list for the Austrian 2 groschen is fixed as it claims to be complete. However the 1965 proof version is missing from the list. Would it be possible to have it added, please?
Sjoelund
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 15:29 #
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Quote: "theloosehorse"​Hi. The date list for the Austrian 2 groschen is fixed as it claims to be complete. However the 1965 proof version is missing from the list. Would it be possible to have it added, please?
​Please send the images of the coin.
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theloosehorse
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 15:35 #
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Sjoelund
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 16:00 #
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That looks suspiciously like a home made set of proof coinsB)
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theloosehorse
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 16:20 #
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You could be correct in as much as it may have been repackaged, I couldn't really comment for sure. However I am confident that they are of proof standard coins and, as every other denomination of Austrian coins for 1965 already had the date line for proof coins, I would assume its omission from the 2 groschen just to be an oversight.
theloosehorse
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 16:29 #
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Quote: "Sjoelund"​That looks suspiciously like a home made set of proof coinsB)
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From research on the Web, the above image appears to be the most likely original packaging for the 1965 set, so you can see why there is a likelihood of the sets being repackaged at some point. You can however see that the 2 groschen is indeed part of the set and should be added to the date list in my opinion.
Sjoelund
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 18:49 #
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Here is what an official proof set from 1965 looks like:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1965-Austria-Proof-Set-7-Coins-White-Case-Included/373143405106?hash=item56e1148232:g:bpAAAOSwLbNfIBwe

which is NOT the case of yours.

On the other hand the KM2876 (2 Groschen) exists as Proof, but that's not your coin. In proof65 it's worth 1 US$.



5 minutes to find the set on internet + 5 minutes for the screen shot of SCWC

Ole
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theloosehorse
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 18:55 #
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Quote: "Sjoelund"​Here is what an official proof set from 1965 looks like:
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​https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1965-Austria-Proof-Set-7-Coins-White-Case-Included/373143405106?hash=item56e1148232:g:bpAAAOSwLbNfIBwe
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​which is NOT the case of yours.
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​On the other hand the KM2876 (2 Groschen) exists as Proof, but that's not your coin. In proof65 it's worth 1 US$.
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​5 minutes to find the set on internet + 5 minutes for the screen shot of SCWC
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​Ole
​I'm not disputing that you have found a version of the proof set, but most 60s and 70s Austrian proof sets didn't come in cases such as the one you've pictured, but in plain coin sleeves. Regardless of this, however, my request wasn't for an opinion of whether mine were a proof coin or not, but just to add the date to the list of the 2 groschen coins.
Sjoelund
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 18:57 #
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and to that, an image of the proof set has to be shown.

If you had said:
I have seen that the SCWC shows that the 2 Groschen also exists in Proff, it would have been been so much easier?
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ZacUK Numista team
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 19:20 #
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https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces745.html
The 1965 proof line is indeed missing ...
https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/austria-2-groschen-km-2876-1950-1994-cuid-1044466-duid-1220455

I tried to change the page but it is locked - I will write to the referee and
mention this topic, so he can change the page. Thanks :)
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theloosehorse
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 19:21 #
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Quote: "Sjoelund"​and to that, an image of the proof set has to be shown.
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​If you had said:
​I have seen that the SCWC shows that the 2 Groschen also exists in Proff, it would have been been so much easier?
​Ok. As you have shown, the 1965 proof set appears to have been sold in a deluxe version, but it is also just as easy to find it in plain packaging...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283653546278
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133106362182
theloosehorse
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 19:39 #
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Quote: "ZacUK"​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces745.html
​ The 1965 proof line is indeed missing ...
​https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/austria-2-groschen-km-2876-1950-1994-cuid-1044466-duid-1220455
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​ I tried to change the page but it is locked - I will write to the referee and
​mention this topic, so he can change the page. Thanks :)
​Thank you Zac, that's all that I was asking for. 👍
Sjoelund
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 21:24 #
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Quote: "theloosehorse"​
Quote: "Sjoelund"​and to that, an image of the proof set has to be shown.
​​
​​If you had said:
​​I have seen that the SCWC shows that the 2 Groschen also exists in Proff, it would have been been so much easier?
​​Ok. As you have shown, the 1965 proof set appears to have been sold in a deluxe version, but it is also just as easy to find it in plain packaging...
​https://www.ebay.com/itm/283653546278
​https://www.ebay.com/itm/133106362182
​
​NO, you're completely wrong there. The proof sets has a standard you PAY for, what your set has is maybe a UNC but never a Proof.
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theloosehorse
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 22:46 #
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Quote: "Sjoelund"​
Quote: "theloosehorse"​
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Quote: "Sjoelund"​and to that, an image of the proof set has to be shown.
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​​​If you had said:
​​​I have seen that the SCWC shows that the 2 Groschen also exists in Proff, it would have been been so much easier?
​​​Ok. As you have shown, the 1965 proof set appears to have been sold in a deluxe version, but it is also just as easy to find it in plain packaging...
​​https://www.ebay.com/itm/283653546278
​​https://www.ebay.com/itm/133106362182
​​
​​NO, you're completely wrong there. The proof sets has a standard you PAY for, what your set has is maybe a UNC but never a Proof.
​I'll leave you to your opinion. There is plenty more "proof" I could give you, but there is no need to get into a slanging match here, so we'll just leave it there.
Sjoelund
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Posted: 14 Ağu 2020, 22:47 #
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right
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ZacUK Numista team
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Posted: 16 Ağu 2020, 13:22 #
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The referee has replied and has added the line.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces745.html
:)
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theloosehorse
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Posted: 16 Ağu 2020, 16:01 #
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Quote: "ZacUK"​ The referee has replied and has added the line.
​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces745.html
​:)
​Many thanks for your help, much appreciated. 👍
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