We recently had a similar request for Northern Ireland which was broadly rejected (https://en.numista.com/forum/topic107031.html). Do we need to separate the Bank of England notes into pre-decimal and decimal? It's not like there's a clear dividing line between the two periods. There is a separate decimal pound for Scotland but this causes trouble when people add new notes as they frequently select the wrong one.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Could this be changed to pound sterling without an end date? That way, we have a title that's correct and we avoid a split in the note listings that really adds nothing to the catalogue.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
It looks like it’s not just happening to you because when I when to the note to edit it I have the same issue where it didn’t show up.
Hi to whoever is reading this. Did you know that TYPEWRITER (on a QWERTY keyboard) is the longest word you can type using only the letters on one row of the keyboard.
Quote: "ceh2019"Could this be changed to pound sterling without an end date? That way, we have a title that's correct and we avoid a split in the note listings that really adds nothing to the catalogue.
It may not add anything to the catalogue other than correctness. Yes, it is true, a pre-decimal pound had the same value as a decimal pound but we can't ignore the fact that Britain underwent a change to decimal currency on 15/02/71. I really don't see the problem with having separate pre-decimal and decimal currencies, it is part of our numismatic history after all, and the existing England banknote catalogue is already set up with separate pre-decimal and decimal currencies. All I am asking for is to be able to add a new note to the existing decimal currency but because someone has messed around with the drop-down list, that is now not possible. A little common sense is needed here.
Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.
So the technical issue is that all the other notes listed under the decimal pound are actually using the UK currency rather than one for England. Given that the notes have already been split, it does make sense to get the new £50 in the right place.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Quote: "ceh2019"Could this be changed to pound sterling without an end date? That way, we have a title that's correct and we avoid a split in the note listings that really adds nothing to the catalogue.
It may not add anything to the catalogue other than correctness. Yes, it is true, a pre-decimal pound had the same value as a decimal pound but we can't ignore the fact that Britain underwent a change to decimal currency on 15/02/17. I really don't see the problem with having separate pre-decimal and decimal currencies, it is part of our numismatic history after all, and the existing England banknote catalogue is already set up with separate pre-decimal and decimal currencies. All I am asking for is to be able to add a new note to the existing decimal currency but because someone has messed around with the drop-down list, that is now not possible. A little common sense is needed here.
Just to be clear Great Britain underwent decimalisation on 15/02/1971, not that that is the main thrust of your argument. I agree entirely with Radrick007 the pound indeed did remain as a pound just was divided into 100 rather than 240. The issue will be the crossover banknotes as they are technically pre-decimal and decimal?
Thank you @peterjhalford, I have edited my original typo, I do usually check my posts before pressing send! The main issue we have is that the existing currencies for England banknotes from when the page was first created are as follows:
There are currently thirty different notes listed under the pre-decimal currency and twenty listed under the decimal currency, which is all fine and well. But at some point since those 20 notes were added to the decimal currency, the website has been modified so that the decinmal currency now no longer appears in the currency drop-down list, which means that the new polymer £50 note is sitting at the bottom of the country page under 'Unspecified currency'.
This is clearly a problem which does not look good and is devaluing the relevance of Numista. I do hope that the site admin will take this seriously and implement the necessary changes to put it right.
Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.
This is because the decimal currency used is the one for the UK, not one for England. That separate currency has never been created. What changed was that only the English currencies now appear in the dropdown list.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Quote: "ceh2019"This is because the decimal currency used is the one for the UK, not one for England. That separate currency has never been created. What changed was that only the English currencies now appear in the dropdown list.
I do believe that the Bank of England banknotes are circulating and are legal tender in the whole UK, so why just limit them to England? In the United Kingdom list it seems like it's just British Armed forces banknotes listed, as well as two treassury issues. Why not put all England banknotes to the UK catalogue?, and if there were any notes only legal tender in England, these should, obviously, be listed in the England catalogue.
And of course the currencies should be correct. Even though there might be a weird split, the first year of issues should specify if it's a pre-deciamalsed or not. So for example: A banknote which was issued between 1967-1975 spans over both currencies, but since it was first released in 1967 it should therefore be added in the Pound sterling (1158-1970) currency. Could this be a rule we could agree on? Then it will be very simple to add these banknotes which spans over both currencies - just look at the first year of issue.
Quote: "ngdawa"I do believe that the Bank of England banknotes are circulating and are legal tender in the whole UK, so why just limit them to England? In the United Kingdom list it seems like it's just British Armed forces banknotes listed, as well as two treassury issues. Why not put all England banknotes to the UK catalogue?, and if there were any notes only legal tender in England, these should, obviously, be listed in the England catalogue.
And of course the currencies should be correct. Even though there might be a weird split, the first year of issues should specify if it's a pre-deciamalsed or not. So for example: A banknote which was issued between 1967-1975 spans over both currencies, but since it was first released in 1967 it should therefore be added in the Pound sterling (1158-1970) currency. Could this be a rule we could agree on? Then it will be very simple to add these banknotes which spans over both currencies - just look at the first year of issue.
I'm afraid your first statement is not correct. BoE notes are only legal tender in England and Wales. No banknotes are legal tender in Scotland or Northern Ireland. I'm hoping the Army canteen vouchers will soon be heading to Exonumia.
Your idea for assigning notes between the two versions of the currency sounds reasonable until you compare it with the coins. Three decimal coins were introduced before 1971 (5p & 10p in 1968, 50p in 1969). We couldn't possibly put them in the pre-decimal pound, so it would be impossible to apply this as a rule. As it stands, the notes are divided according to series. The four "portrait series" notes introduced between 1960 and 1964 are listed under £sd and the five "pictorial series" notes introduced between 1970 and 1982 are listed under £p. The difference is only the £20 note from 1970 but I do think that should stay in £p.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Quote: "ceh2019"I'm afraid your first statement is not correct. BoE notes are only legal tender in England and Wales. No banknotes are legal tender in Scotland or Northern Ireland. I'm hoping the Army canteen vouchers will soon be heading to Exonumia.
I really didn't know that. So Scotland and Nortern Ireland are issuing their own banknotes? I thought the existing ones were mostly numismatic objects for collectord. But they are actually circulating? I've never seen a curculater Northern Irish or Scottish banknote issued after 1990.
Quote: "ceh2019"Your idea for assigning notes between the two versions of the currency sounds reasonable until you compare it with the coins. Three decimal coins were introduced before 1971 (5p & 10p in 1968, 50p in 1969). We couldn't possibly put them in the pre-decimal pound, so it would be impossible to apply this as a rule.
That's why they are labeled "New pence", and definitely belong to the £p.
Quote: "ceh2019"As it stands, the notes are divided according to series. The four "portrait series" notes introduced between 1960 and 1964 are listed under £sd and the five "pictorial series" notes introduced between 1970 and 1982 are listed under £p. The difference is only the £20 note from 1970 but I do think that should stay in £p.
Quote: "radrick007"There are currently thirty different notes listed under the pre-decimal currency and twenty listed under the decimal currency, which is all fine and well. But at some point since those 20 notes were added to the decimal currency, the website has been modified so that the decimal currency now no longer appears in the currency drop-down list, which means that the new polymer £50 note is sitting at the bottom of the country page under 'Unspecified currency'.
Just thought I would put this back up there in case the Catalogue Admin are not aware of the problem and think the catalogue is ok as it is. There is a problem that needs fixing and I would be very grateful if someone would take notice and do something about it. Apologies if my frustration is showing through
Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.
Quote: "ngdawa"
I really didn't know that. So Scotland and Nortern Ireland are issuing their own banknotes? I thought the existing ones were mostly numismatic objects for collectord. But they are actually circulating? I've never seen a curculater Northern Irish or Scottish banknote issued after 1990.
Local Banks in Northern Ireland are designated to print & circulate.
There are 4 authorised to do so.
Bank of Ireland
Ulster Bank
Northern Bank
First Trust Bank (now rebranded as AIB - Allied Irish Bank, the parent bank in Republic of Ireland)
Hello,
I just added the decimalized pound as a currency for England. The banknotes currently currently set with UK pound will need to be changed to England pound so we can have all the decimalized pound banknotes together.
Status changed to Solved(Xavier, 13 Nis 2021, 15:28)
