Very small medieval copper coin [solved]

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silvergeek Catalogue referee
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could someone identify this for me I’ve used Coinoscope but it did not take all I know is that it is medieval, please. It is also thin as paper. Just proud of 10 mm.
Giobruno
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Posted: 28 Ağu 2021, 05:26 #
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Hi,

First of all, please write the diameter of the coin. It greatly helps with the identification, it's a big search filter.

Secondly, try searching in the Hungary catalog, I think it's from there because of the shield with the letters K and B on it's sides.
silvergeek Catalogue referee
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Thanks and the coin comes in at just proud of 1 centimeter and what type would you think it be then because there are so many that don’t have pictures that are copper
tdziemia Numista team
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Posted: 28 Ağu 2021, 18:05 #
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https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2340722
Giobruno
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Quote: "silvergeek"​Thanks and the coin comes in at just proud of 1 centimeter and what type would you think it be then because there are so many that don’t have pictures that are copper
​It's not copper, but billon or low silver. It means that only 50% or less of the coin material is actually silver (the other 50% being copper).
tdziemia Numista team
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Posted: 28 Ağu 2021, 18:48 #
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The date could be 1623 (between 9:00 and 12:00 on the Madonna side of coin)
krezga
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Posted: 28 Ağu 2021, 21:41 #
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Yep, from Transylvania
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces33236.html
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thank you all
tdziemia Numista team
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Posted: 29 Ağu 2021, 02:05 #
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Please note that the coin I linked is an obol, but the coin @krezga linked is a denar, which is a larger denomination.

I think a 10 mm diameter is more consistent with an obol. If you can weigh the coin and the weight is less than 0.5 g this confirms it is an obol.
krezga
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Posted: 29 Ağu 2021, 07:42 #
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Quote: "tdziemia"​Please note that the coin I linked is an obol, but the coin @krezga linked is a denar, which is a larger denomination.
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​I think a 10 mm diameter is more consistent with an obol. If you can weigh the coin and the weight is less than 0.5 g this confirms it is an obol.
​hello!
You linked the same coin, that is definetly not an obol. On the obols (obulus) there are no legend, just the date.
Gabor Bethlen just has two obols:
tdziemia Numista team
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Posted: 29 Ağu 2021, 12:40 #
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Thank you for clarifying.
I don't have a catalog, and was just using auction listings to do the research. Fruhwald listed a couple of these as obols, but no catalog reference, and with a weight of 0.35g for one of them.

But we all know auction houses make mistakes.
krezga
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Posted: 29 Ağu 2021, 13:06 #
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Quote: "tdziemia"​Thank you for clarifying.
​I don't have a catalog, and was just using auction listings to do the research. Fruhwald listed a couple of these as obols, but no catalog reference, and with a weight of 0.35g for one of them.
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​But we all know auction houses make mistakes.
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Yes, sadly there are a lots of mistakes on the internet
Serviens regis
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krezga

Quote: "tdziemia"​Please note that the coin I linked is an obol, but the coin @krezga linked is a denar, which is a larger denomination. 
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​I think a 10 mm diameter is more consistent with an obol. If you can weigh the coin and the weight is less than 0.5 g this confirms it is an obol.

​hello!
You linked the same coin, that is definetly not an obol. On the obols (obulus) there are no legend, just the date.
Gabor Bethlen just has two obols:

Hi can I ask you where did you get that picture of those obols?

krezga
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Serviens regis

krezga

Quote: "tdziemia"​Please note that the coin I linked is an obol, but the coin @krezga linked is a denar, which is a larger denomination. 
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​I think a 10 mm diameter is more consistent with an obol. If you can weigh the coin and the weight is less than 0.5 g this confirms it is an obol.

​hello!
You linked the same coin, that is definetly not an obol. On the obols (obulus) there are no legend, just the date.
Gabor Bethlen just has two obols:

Hi can I ask you where did you get that picture of those obols?

Hi!

 

from this catalogue: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/catalogue.php?id=14

Serviens regis
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Thank you very much 

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