1 Rupee Shah Jahan Ahmedabad KM# 235.1 [solved]

Hello

Need some help again
Don't find an exact match with this coin and not able to find the date(maybe off flan)
At the place where I think the RY must be (but I'm not really sure of myself) I see a flower :)
Hedge have a lots of punchmark
Is there a signification for them?

20/21mm
11.09gr
silver



Thanks for your help

Guillaume

I think you're right, Mughal Empire, 1 Rupee. I believe the regnal year is 14 (see red circle). So two possibilities in our catalog, Daulatabad mint (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces66320.html) and Multan mint (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces56502.html).
I believe yours is Daulatabad mint (diameter of the Multan mint is bigger, 26 mm) but wait for Parimal to confirm this since I can't read the script.

Thanks Essor Prof

Do you know why the RY is at different place ?

The mintname is partially visible in the left quadrant on the reverse(2nd image) and it looks to be Ahmedabad mint
https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=3872

Regarding the location of RY, the AH date and RY are engraved after the die is made. So it is placed wherever the mint-master finds any free space for it. There are no standards about the location of date, RY or mint or how the couplet on the coins is spelled or arranged. So such variations are quite common

Quote: "Parimal"​Regarding the location of RY, the AH date and RY are engraved after the die is made. So it is placed wherever the mint-master finds any free space for it. There are no standards about the location of date, RY or mint or how the couplet on the coins is spelled or arranged. So such variations are quite common

​Thank you for that extra information Parimal. I didn't know that either.

Thanks Essor Prof and Parimal

Didn't find it on Numista
I will see with the referent to create a new file
and will search to have some more information

So Parimal, it's this coin? (KM# 235.1 not yet in our catalog)

Quote: "Essor Prof"​​So Parimal, it's this coin? (KM# 235.1 not yet in our catalog)

​Yes. I think its KM#235.1

Thanks again

I think I have all the information I need to create a new page

Essor Prof : Is it possible to have a better picture
cause mine is quite different as the one you have add
It could be helpful for our catalogue
and I will try to add it in the new page

Quote: "gros"​Essor Prof : Is it possible to have a better picture
​cause mine is quite different as the one you have add

​That picture was just an enlargement of the picture in Krause, so not usable for our catalog.

I'll send you some pictures later, all KM# 253.1 with description of the lettering, but all a bit different. Some very close to your pictures, some less close. We've learned from Parimal the AH date and the regnal year can be anywhere, but I also see big differences in the size of the squares, both on obverse and reverse, differences in the number of dots etc., although all are Ahmadabad Mint, KM# 253.1
You'll also see a lot of these coins have holes partly drilled in them, but Parimal also told us why this happens.
When creating the new page, you can choose whatever pictures you like most, or you choose your own pictures, it's up to you.

Mint name Ahmadabad:

And here are the pictures. Numista has permission to use all of these pictures, just select the copyright holder in the drop down menu for the pictures you choose to ad to our catalog.


© Marudhar Arts
Mughal Empire, Silver One Rupee AH 1043/6 RY of Shah Jahan, Shihab-ud-din Muhammad (1628-1658) of Ahmadabad Mint.

Broad Flan with partial dotted border.
Obv: kalima shahada in square and four khalifas name. Rev: saheb-e-qiran sani, shahjahan badshah ghazi.
11.28g, 25.38mm,(KM # 235.1),Rare.


© Marudhar Arts
Mughal Empire, Silver One Rupee AH 1043/7 RY of Shah Jahan, Shihab-ud-din Muhammad (1628-1658) of Ahmadabad Mint.

Obv: kalima shahada in square and four khalifas name. Rev: saheb-e-qiran sani, shahjahan badshah ghazi.
11.40g, 19.80mm, (KM # 235.1)


© Marudhar Arts
Mughal Empire, Silver One Rupee AH 1048/12 RY of Shah Jahan, Shihab-ud-din Muhammad (1628-1658) of Ahmadabad Mint.

Obv: The Kalima Shahada within a square, around four khalifas name. Rev: Shahjahan Badshah Ghazi within a square, Shihab ud din Muhammad saheb-e-qiran sani & mint name Ahmadabad completely visible at left margins.
11.46g, 21.79mm, (KM # 235.1), test marks.


© Marudhar Arts
Mughal Empire, Silver One Rupee AH (10)59 of Shah Jahan, Shihab-ud-din Muhammad (1628-1658) of Ahmadabad Mint.

Obv: kalima shahada in square and four khalifas name. Rev: saheb-e-qiran sani, shahjahan badshah ghazi.
11.21g, 21.66mm,(KM # 235.1), Date Unlisted in KM


© Marudhar Arts
Mughal Empire, Silver One Rupee AH 1062 of Shah Jahan, Shihab-ud-din Muhammad (1628-1658) of Ahmadabad Mint.

Obv: kalima shahada within square, knots at corners. Rev: kings name and title within square with knots at corners.
10.75g, 22.56mm, (KM # 235.1), Date is Unlisted in KM


© Marudhar Arts
Mughal Empire, Silver One Rupee 12 RY of Shah Jahan, Shihab-ud-din Muhammad (1628-1658) of Ahmadabad Mint.

Obv: kalima shahada within square, knots at corners. Rev: kings name and title within square with knots at corners.
11.35g, 22.07mm, (KM # 235.1)


© Marudhar Arts
Mughal Empire, Silver One Rupee 19 RY of Shah Jahan, Shihab-ud-din Muhammad (1628-1658) of Ahmadabad Mint.

Obv: kalima shahada in centre four khalifas name in margin. Rev: saheb-e-qiran sanishihab-ud-din muhammad shahjahan badshah ghazi,
mint name at left.
11.50g, 21.54mm,(KM # 235.1)


© Marudhar Arts
Mughal Empire, Silver One Rupee AH 1043/7 RY of Shah Jahan, Shihab-ud-din Muhammad (1628-1658) of Ahmadabad Mint.

Obv: The Kalima shahada within the square, four khalifas name in margin. Rev: Shahjahan Badshah ghazi & 7 RY within square, "sahebe- qiran sani" shihab-ud-din muhammad, Mint name in margins.
11.31g, 24.64mm, (KM # 235.1)


© Classic Numismatic Gallery
Mughal Empire, Silver One Rupee AH 1045/RY 8 of Shah Jahan, Shihab-ud-din Muhammad (1628-1658) of Ahmadabad Mint.

Ahmadabad Mint in left quadrant.
KM 235.1


© Classic Numismatic Gallery
Mughal Empire, Silver One Rupee AH 1044/RY 7, of Shah Jahan, Shihab-ud-din Muhammad (1628-1658) of Ahmadabad Mint.

Ahmadabad Mint in left quadrant.
KM 235.1.


© Marudhar Arts
Mughal Empire, Silver One Rupee AH 1055 of Shah Jahan, Shihab-ud-din Muhammad (1628-1658) of Ahmadabad Mint.

Obv: kalima shahada within square, knots at corners. Rev: kings name and title within square with knots at corners.
11.41g, 21.48mm, (KM # 235.1)

By the way, Shah Jahan was the one who commissioned the building of the Taj Mahal.

Thank you so much Essor Prof for these pictures

I have try to find edge pics but without success
Do you think these punch marks are on all coins?
Are they made for the same reason as the holes or do they have another meaning?

Quote: "gros"​Do you think these punch marks are on all coins?
​Are they made for the same reason as the holes or do they have another meaning?

​I don't have any of these coins so I have no idea if all these coins have punch marks on the edges, and you're right, pictures of edges are much harder to find.
I don't know either what the reason for these punch marks are. I only have one guess, but it's just a guess. Maybe every time a hole was drilled to check if the whole coin was made of silver, they put a punch mark on the edge as confirmation the coin is silver? But your coin has only two holes and so many punch marks, so I may be totally wrong. Maybe Parimal (or someone else) can confirm or deny this?
What I don't understand is why some coins have up to 4 holes. I would say if you drill 1 hole and it's still silver you can assume the whole coin is silver?

The punch marks are called shroff's mark or banker's mark. They were added later by the shroffs(Shroff mean merchant banker) and the exact reason for adding such marks is not fully known. But as 'Essor Prof' mentioned it could be to indicate that the coin has been authenticated.
More discussions on shroff's marks can be found here
https://coincoin.com/I068.htm
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,14513.0.html
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,7369.0/

Thanks Parimal and Essor Prof

Learn a lots of things with this coin and your kwowledge
A new Numista file is on the way

Guillaume