cobrapel
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Posted: 18 Şub 2022, 14:53
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Posted: 18 Şub 2022, 14:53
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Hi, i need some help to identificate these coins.
Thanks to all those who want to give me even just some information.
left: 3,57 gr - 22 mm
right: 3,86 gr - 21 mm
3,26 gr - 18 mm
2,93 gr - 17 mm
left: 2,90 gr - 22 mm
right: 3,00 - 18 mm
Camerinvs
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Posted: 19 Şub 2022, 05:12
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Posted: 19 Şub 2022, 05:12
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Quote: "cobrapel" left: 2,90 gr - 22 mm
right: 3,00 - 18 mm
These two are the easiest to read, but unfortunately they are anonymous fals or something of the sort.
I put the obverse at the top; it reads "There is no god but Allah alone" (the word "alone" is only on the smaller coin):
لا اله
الا الله
وحده
There is a decorative
* in the center of the small coin, inside "A*llah".
On the reverse, predictably, the legend: "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah":
محمد
رسول
الله
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cobrapel
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Posted: 21 Şub 2022, 12:05
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Posted: 21 Şub 2022, 12:05
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Thank you Camerinvs for your input.
In the meanwhile i found this match for the picture n. 4. Do you think they are the same coin? Thanks
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces131087.html
Camerinvs
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Posts: 6416
Posted: 21 Şub 2022, 17:47
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Edited: 21 Şub 2022, 17:48
Posted: 21 Şub 2022, 17:47
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Edited: 21 Şub 2022, 17:48
Yes, and yours is better.
On the obverse:
السلطان
ا!!عظم
الوالد
On the reverse:
محمد ؟؟
السلطان
تك؟؟؟؟
Literal translation line after line:
the sultan
?? greatest (no idea what the !! are)
the father
Mohammed (son of??)
the sultan
t-k????
₱o$₮ag€ $₮am₱$ a₹€ mo₹€ £€₲i₮ima₮€ a$ a ƒo₹m oƒ ¢u₹₹€nc¥ ₮ha₦ ₮h€ €₦₮i₹€ "¢oi₦" ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ oƒ ₦au₹u o₹ ₦iu€. ••• £€$ ₮im฿₹€$-₱o$₮€ $o₦₮ ₱£u$ £é₲i₮im€$ €₦ ₮a₦t qu'o฿j€₮$ mo₦é₮ai₹€$ qu€ £a ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ €₦₮iè₹€ d€ «mo₦₦ai€$» d€ ₦au₹u ou d€ ₦iu€.
cobrapel
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Posted: 23 Şub 2022, 17:03
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Posted: 23 Şub 2022, 17:03
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Probably i found a match for the last 2 coins. The others are really hard without a direction.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces52220.html
Camerinvs
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Posted: 23 Şub 2022, 17:21
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Posted: 23 Şub 2022, 17:21
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It's the same idea as the smaller of the two last coins, but there are enough differences to make me doubt it's the same mint, i.e. Ba'albek in what is now Lebanon.
I don't know enough about these, but it may be that the * on yours could be attributed to another mint ─ if other mints for these there are??
At least we have established they are anonymous fals.
Many have used the Zeno website to identify Islamic coins. Their catalogue is (from what I understand) more complete than Numista's for early Islamic coinages.
₱o$₮ag€ $₮am₱$ a₹€ mo₹€ £€₲i₮ima₮€ a$ a ƒo₹m oƒ ¢u₹₹€nc¥ ₮ha₦ ₮h€ €₦₮i₹€ "¢oi₦" ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ oƒ ₦au₹u o₹ ₦iu€. ••• £€$ ₮im฿₹€$-₱o$₮€ $o₦₮ ₱£u$ £é₲i₮im€$ €₦ ₮a₦t qu'o฿j€₮$ mo₦é₮ai₹€$ qu€ £a ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ €₦₮iè₹€ d€ «mo₦₦ai€$» d€ ₦au₹u ou d€ ₦iu€.
cobrapel
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Posted: 23 Şub 2022, 18:13
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Posted: 23 Şub 2022, 18:13
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I have serious problems understanding how Zeno works. However the * appears to be the Halab mint, at first sight
cobrapel
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Posted: 17 Mart 2022, 22:46
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Posted: 18 Mart 2022, 01:03
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Edited: 18 Mart 2022, 01:05
Posted: 18 Mart 2022, 01:03
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Edited: 18 Mart 2022, 01:05
Great Mongols and Ghaznavids/Khwarezm?
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