Unidentified old silver coin 1.7g (suspected medieval) [solved]

Hi. Thanks for having me at this forum!

I have found this today in the Czech Republic.

It weighs 1.6-1.7g. Fairly thin. Silver. I’m suspecting it is medieval based on the location it was found and the history of the area dating back to this time, plus the lettering style also speaks medieval to me.

I have no idea what this is and would love to know a date, what it is, and ideally a valuation.

I did consider it could be an early Hapsburg. I’m far from an expert, but I thought I’d add that detail, in case it helps in narrowing this down. I also considered if this was a smaller denomination of a prazky groschen.

thank you for any input.

Jansen.

That shield on second picture I have seen before but cannot remember where from.
The first picture has GROSSUS lettering. What is the diameter?

German states › Meissen, Margravate of

Similar, both sides >
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces80029.html
E W A D G DVCES SX TV L MARTIS // GROSSVS NOVVS MARTINIS L5

That page has some lettering wrong -
MARTINIS L5 should be MARTINIS 76 maybe (for the 1476 date).
Something like MARCHISA 8*6 lettering for yours, making it 1486 date.

Hi Zac. Thank you for the input. Really appreciate it.

my mother in law just sent me some info. It seems to be a spitzgroschen.

Are you Zac? Or anyone? able to tell me the value of this coin?

thank you very much.

https://cs.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soubor:Ernst,_Albrecht,_Wilhelm_III.,_Margaretha,_Spitzgroschen_1475,_Colditz,_CNG.jpg

Another similar, but not exactly the same lettering, coin >
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces108460.html
with that being the shield of Saxony on the reverse.

Also it is 22mm approximately

Thank you for your time and effort Zac!

I think I’ll start a new thread regarding the valuation, as we now know the identity.

cheers!

Well, valuation is still alright to leave on this topic.
Not sure identification is yet made, though similar.
Looking for exact lettering match still - to that end I made these >

May be this (partial) lettering >

E W A D G DVCS S .... HA HIS + // GROSSVS NO..... ARC...IS 78 +
with the strangest 7 I have ever seen. So 1478 dated.

· Similar here >
https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=288&lot=2062

German states › Saxony (Albertinian Line), Electorate of
Another very similar coin >
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces167508.html

Amended possible lettering >

E W A D G DVCS SX TV L MAR MIS + // GROSSVS NOVVS MARCH MIS 78 +
Green - probable / Pink - maybe / Purple - guess [Bold - no idea which]
Phew!

Still not sure of a few letters, especially H or M >

· Obverse: Shield (Balkenschild / Rautenkranzschild)
E W A D G DVCS SX TV L HA MIS +
· Reverse: Shield of Landsberg (Pfahlschild) in trefoil
GROSSVS NOVVS HARCH MIS 78 +
· Catalogues: Krug 1510; Levinson I-148
· Weight: 1.531 gr
· Spitzgroschen - Leipzig


It would help to know what (some of) the lettering is abbreviations for.
[E W A] Dei Gratia Ducs [SX TV L HA MIS] // Grossus Novus [HARCH MIS 78]

Still looking ...

A page, in German, gives some lettering >

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Erläuterungen zur Umschrift:

E◦W◦A = Ernestus, Wilhelmus, Albertus

D◦G◦DVCS◦SX = Dei gratia Duces Saxoniae = Von Gottes Gnaden Herzöge von Sachsen

TÜ◦L = Thuringiae landgravii = Landgraf von Thüringen

HA◦HIS oder HA◦HS = Marchiones Misnenses = Markgraf von Meißen

GROSSVS◦NOVVS◦HARCH◦HS = Grossus novus Marchionum Misnensium
= Neuer Groschen der Markgrafen von Meißen
(Legendenzeichen H wurde für den Buchstaben M verwendet)

ɅɅ = 77 bzw. Ʌ8 = 78 (Legendenzeichen Ʌ steht für die Zahl 7 und 7 steht für die Zahl 5)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitzgroschen

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[Translations]
Notes on the transcription:

E◦W◦A = Ernestus, Wilhelmus, Albertus

D◦G◦DVCS◦SX = Dei gratia Duces Saxoniae = By the grace of God, Dukes of Saxony

TÜ◦L = Thuringiae landgravii = Landgrave of Thuringia

HA◦HIS or HA◦HS = Marchiones Misnenses = Margrave of Meissen

GROSSVS◦NOVVS◦HARCH◦HS = Grossus novus Marchionum Misnensium
= New Groschen of the Margraves of Meissen
(legend character H was used for the letter M)

ɅɅ = 77 or Ʌ8 = 78 (legend character Ʌ stands for the number 7 and 7 stands for the number 5)

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Will look at all that when I get back. Going out now.

Finally, added the above to earlier replies >



· Obverse: Shield of Saxony (Balkenschild / Rautenkranzschild)
E W A D G DVCS SX TV L HA HIS +
· Reverse: Shield of Landsberg (Pfahlschild) in trefoil
GROSSVS NOVVS HARC HIS 78 +

Ernestus, Wilhelmus, Albertus - Dei Gratia Duces Saxoniae Thuringiae Landgravii Marchiones Misnenses
= Ernestus, Wilhelmus, Albertus - By the Grace of God, Dukes of Saxony,
Landgraves of Thuringia, Margraves of Meissen

Grossus Novus Marchionum Misnensium 78
= New Groschen of the Margraves of Meissen [14]78

(legend character H was used for the letter M)
(legend character Ʌ stands for the number 7)