Identification please Ottoman coin? [solved]

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I found this coin but its imposible for me to identify. Thanks for any help.
Also impossible for anyone here to identify without the size (diameter) and weight. Larger, cropped photos would also help.

First impression: this is not a real coin, but something made to resemble one.
Diameter is 1,5 cm. Weight: around 0,5g
Im not knowledgable on such coins but first hint tells me this is a brass Belly Dancers or Wedding gown reproduction which originally should be a gold coin.
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Quote: "apuking"​Im not knowledgable on such coins but first hint tells me this is a brass Belly Dancers or Wedding gown reproduction which originally should be a gold coin.
The hole gives it away
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
The design gives it away.

Real gold Ottoman coins with holes are collectible and sold through many respectable auction houses:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5469189
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3421510
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1671683
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3828633
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=469247
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7646969
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8794107

Yes, most requests we get like this turn out to be imitations made for adornment, so it's tempting to jump to an immediate conclusion based on the hole. But to arrive at the best answer to this type of question, the other features of the coin (size, weight, design, inscriptions color) need to be considered, or we could reach the wrong conclusion.
Yes I know that in the past also real Gold pieces where attached to wedding costumes in these regions.
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So far I have not found anybody in numista asking the question about a holed coin and the answer was: Yes, it's really a gold charm!

Of course, it might happen one day.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Is there any way to check if its real or gold or not?
It it helps anybody:

Quote: "erik.edel"​Is there any way to check if its real or gold or not?
​Find the volume of the coin and multiply the volume in mm3 with the weight of gold and see if you get a result of 0.5 grams:°
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
This is excactly the same. So i guess its not real :) thank you all
Quote: "erik.edel"​This is excactly the same. So i guess its not real :) thank you all
​I don't know why you said that. Let's do a quick check. Can you measure the thickness?
Look at the hole, its exactly on the same position. Ant the green piece of Patina on the rim is also on exactly the same spot. Unfortunately i have nothing to measure the thiknes but its around 0,3mm
Quote: "erik.edel"​Look at the hole, its exactly on the same position. Ant the green piece of Patina on the rim is also on exactly the same spot. Unfortunately i have nothing to measure the thiknes but its around 0,3mm



​That's because it is your coin. I just cropped your pictures so people could see them better.

So using your measurements we get:

7.5*7.5*3.14*0.3*.0193 = 1.02 grams

With the "guess" at the thickness, it's in the realm of possibility that it is gold.

Or, more to the point, you can't rule out it's gold based on the size and weight.
Quote: "rsirian1"
Quote: "erik.edel"​Look at the hole, its exactly on the same position. Ant the green piece of Patina on the rim is also on exactly the same spot. Unfortunately i have nothing to measure the thiknes but its around 0,3mm



​​That's because it is your coin. I just cropped your pictures so people could see them better.

​So using your measurements we get:

​7.5*7.5*3.14*0.3*.0193 = 1.02 grams

​With the "guess" at the thickness, it's in the realm of possibility that it is gold.

​Or, more to the point, you can't rule out it's gold based on the size and weight.

​Oh:O thats why it looks the same.
On the right picture, upper side ther are three >>>. This is suppose to be the islamic year based on what i found out on the internet. Can somebody tell me which numbers this >>> resembles?
That's not a year. They are not numbers. There is a "year" at the bottom center of 78.

Quote: "rsirian1"​That's not a year. They are not numbers. There is a "year" at the bottom center of 78.

If they are not ornaments, the number is 78​, there is no denomination and nobody reigned for 78 years, and the start year of the reign misses anyway, so I really don't believe it's a coin at all.
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Quote: "rsirian1"​That's not a year. They are not numbers. There is a "year" at the bottom center of 78.

​It's 78 all right but not at the bottom but at the top: the picture is upside down and should be like this:



It's obvious it's not a real coin. The toughra on the obverse is not real, the regnal year 78 at the top doesn't exist (like sjoelund already said), the Mint name isn't real etc.
I wasn't trying to say it's a real coin and the 78 regnal year didn't make sense to me either until I saw this coin with a year of 82 on it. Thanks for showing the correct orientation.



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​It's obvious it's not a real coin. The toughra on the obverse is not real, the regnal year 78 at the top doesn't exist (like sjoelund already said), the Mint name isn't real etc.
​This was exactly my point about "the design gives it away" but not the hole.

As a reminder on why we should be careful about the attention to the hole, we had this thread not so long ago with a real, but holed gold Ottoman coin: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic114943.html
Thank you all for your help.
Status changed to Solved (erik.edel, 2 Mart 2022, 22:56)
Quote: "tdziemia"​As a reminder on why we should be careful about the attention to the hole, we had this thread not so long ago with a real, but holed gold Ottoman coin: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic114943.html
​Yes indeed, holed real gold coins are not uncommon. I think rich people used real gold coins as ornaments on clothing etc. (hence the hole) why others who couldn't afford real gold coins used shiny brass (or copper) tokens. There were no older brass real coins so they've used tokens, resembling real gold coins.

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