zipzappa
Joined: 23 Haz 2015
Posts: 49
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 14:44
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 14:44
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fake or real 1852 dollar liberty head?
weight 1.56g diameter 13mm
Sjoelund
Joined: 28 Mart 2012
Posts: 15834
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 15:03
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Please give the link to the coin in numista? Help us to help you, please.
You would have found out by yourself. I know the answer, but work on it yourself, please.
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
zipzappa
Joined: 23 Haz 2015
Posts: 49
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 15:18
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 15:18
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N#6157
I don't know answer.
I ask because legend United States of America for me looks strange, and date looks go more to left from center.
rsirian1
Joined: 20 Kas 2020
Posts: 12943
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 15:19
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 15:19
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A couple of real ones with more wear than yours:
rsirian1
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 15:21
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 15:21
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zipzappa
I ask because legend United States of America for me looks strange
Agree, plus the low weight (-7%) indicate it's not real.
zipzappa
Joined: 23 Haz 2015
Posts: 49
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 15:24
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 15:24
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accurate diameter is 13.19 mm on numista I found that must be 13mm
Steve27
Joined: 22 Mart 2016
Posts: 1727
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:00
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:00
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All the details look good to me, see additional images and info here:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1852-g-1/7517
zipzappa
Joined: 23 Haz 2015
Posts: 49
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:04
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:04
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Steve27
All the details look good to me, see additional images and info here:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1852-g-1/7517
What about legend “United States of America” looks strange worn out, and date is more to left
Sjoelund
Joined: 28 Mart 2012
Posts: 15834
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:21
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:21
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Round coin is NOT a fake! The oval coin is the OP's.
The position of the 1 in 1852 is influenced by the image not being round!
I'll try to make the OP's coin round.
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
zipzappa
Joined: 23 Haz 2015
Posts: 49
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:26
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:26
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Sjoelund
Round coin is NOT a fake! The oval coin is the OP's.
The position of the 1 in 1852 is influenced by the image not being round!
I'll try to make the OP's coin round.
Thank you for help. Its means this coin definitely fake?
Sjoelund
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Posts: 15834
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:31
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Round coin is NOT a fake! The oval coin is the OP's.
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
rsirian1
Joined: 20 Kas 2020
Posts: 12943
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:53
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Edited: 21 Haz 2022, 16:53
Position of the date is irrelevant as it varied for this coin depending on the die used. Here are two from PCGS and the OP's. Red line aligned with the vertical of the large 1:
I think what more important is the low weight and the wear of the US of A vs. the rest of the coin.
Have you verified it's .900 gold?
Sjoelund
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Posts: 15834
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:53
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Another analysis and that's it from my side, either the OP's coin is a variant or a fake. Not my decision, but the measurements are also a bit off!
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
rsirian1
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Posts: 12943
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:59
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 16:59
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do the same with this one
zipzappa
Joined: 23 Haz 2015
Posts: 49
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 17:18
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 17:18
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Thank you for your help. I attach better images of this my dollar, maybe this helps more to id this coin fake or not
Sjoelund
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Posts: 15834
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 17:49
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 17:49
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As I said, I've done my share and have other things to do now, so try to set up your own tools to figure out what you have?
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
zipzappa
Joined: 23 Haz 2015
Posts: 49
Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 17:50
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Posted: 21 Haz 2022, 17:50
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Status changed to Solved
(zipzappa , 21 Haz 2022, 18:56)
Topic moved to "Numismatic questions"
(ZacUK , 21 Haz 2022, 21:05)
Steve27
Joined: 22 Mart 2016
Posts: 1727
Posted: 23 Haz 2022, 16:05
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Posted: 23 Haz 2022, 16:05
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zipzappa
Steve27
All the details look good to me, see additional images and info here:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1852-g-1/7517
What about legend “United States of America” looks strange worn out, and date is more to left
I agree the wear is unusual, but the alignment isn't bad. I've seen a lot of fake 1852-D (Dahlonega Mint) and 1852-C (Charlotte Mint) gold dollar coins, but the Philadelphia Mint coin is usually not counterfeited due to its relatively low value compared to the others.
rsirian1
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Posts: 12943
Posted: 23 Haz 2022, 16:11
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Posted: 23 Haz 2022, 16:11
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From NGC's Top 50 Most Commonly Counterfeited U.S. Coins According to Submissions to Numismatic Guaranty Company (NGC):
13. 1853 Gold Dollar
The 1853 Gold Dollar is the first coin from the series on our list for most-seen counterfeits at NGC. This year saw the highest mintage for the entire series with some 4,076,051 pieces struck. The high mintage means that this coin is often not inspected closely, making it easier for counterfeiters to pass their fakes.
harryg
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Posted: 24 Haz 2022, 01:18
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Posted: 24 Haz 2022, 01:18
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Your coin is genuine. Heavy wear can easily account for the small weight discrepency and deformation of some of the details but the important details are there and correct. As previously mentioned, this date variant is correct and should be of no concern. This coin was well used but genuine.
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