I am for merging but please don't do a half-assed job where we lose half the information (for example the watermark picture) like I have sadly seen too often at least on coin pages.
I am for merging but please don't do a half-assed job where we lose half the information (for example the watermark picture) like I have sadly seen too often at least on coin pages.
Absolutely I agree with this. No data should be lost. Merging these would be a job for the Referee to do.
I am for merging but please don't do a half-assed job where we lose half the information (for example the watermark picture) like I have sadly seen too often at least on coin pages.
Absolutely I agree with this. No data should be lost. Merging these would be a job for the Referee to do.
I'll message the referee and alert them to this discussion.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Thanks for bring this topic to my attention. Here is my 2 cents, or shall I say 2 Pfennigs worth.
We tend to follow the Krause publications for a quidance as to what are the different typea, and often also about the number of cons and notes that have been issued. When I update the German banknotes, I also use several German publications to determine the differences and variations. Some German publications goes down to great detail about the numbers, printers, etc.
Although I agree with you, these notes are very similar, perhaps in most cases only the date and perhaps the signatures differ. However, I do know a number of collectors that colelct by “Type” as defined by Krause. I am not sure what will happen to the “number of types” they own when these are combined. I know I hate to loose a type when some coins and notes are combined.
My suggestion is the following: Once a month there is a Team/Zoom meeting between the referees, Admin and sometimes the owner. At the next meeting I will take this as a topic and discuss it there. Once we have done so, I wll give you feedback.
I think a relevant comparison are the Bank of England white notes such as this £5. The only differences are dates and signatures. We have eight Pick numbers grouped together there.
Perhaps if all the P# were present in the German section it wouldn't be quite so bad but many are missing, probably because it's so complicated due to Pick's original error.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
My suggestion is the following: Once a month there is a Team/Zoom meeting between the referees, Admin and sometimes the owner. At the next meeting I will take this as a topic and discuss it there. Once we have done so, I wll give you feedback.
For consistency, I believe we should apply guidelines all over the catalog, and regardless granularity chosen by each national specific reference catalog.
Collectors dont lose anything, they still can track completeness of yearlines/variants for each entry.
I'll always vote for clean results page without what appear like duplicate entries except for a handful of specialists :-)
Especially the 1000 Mark would have far too many nearly identical pages that mostly differ in date and letter underprint, year lines would be more then sufficient especially when we get the extra picture feature.
Red seal, green seal would probably be enough with an extensive comment section for the specialists (LINK in German).
For consistency, I believe we should apply guidelines all over the catalog, and regardless granularity chosen by each national specific reference catalog.
Collectors dont lose anything, they still can track completeness of yearlines/variants for each entry.
I'll always vote for clean results page without what appear like duplicate entries except for a handful of specialists :-)
I think that if there are differences in the notes which warrant a picture to illustrate them [for example: different colours used, or holograms added to a design, or new printing elements added to a design, etc], then it should have a separate listing.
I think that if there are differences in the notes which warrant a picture to illustrate them [for example: different colours used, or holograms added to a design, or new printing elements added to a design, etc], then it should have a separate listing
I think that if there are differences in the notes which warrant a picture to illustrate them [for example: different colours used, or holograms added to a design, or new printing elements added to a design, etc], then it should have a separate listing
Indeed. But do you think it is the case here?
Not all the case here. I vote merge the entries, I was answering your ‘For consistency,’ comment.
Thanks for bring this topic to my attention. Here is my 2 cents, or shall I say 2 Pfennigs worth.
We tend to follow the Krause publications for a quidance as to what are the different typea, and often also about the number of cons and notes that have been issued. When I update the German banknotes, I also use several German publications to determine the differences and variations. Some German publications goes down to great detail about the numbers, printers, etc.
Although I agree with you, these notes are very similar, perhaps in most cases only the date and perhaps the signatures differ. However, I do know a number of collectors that colelct by “Type” as defined by Krause. I am not sure what will happen to the “number of types” they own when these are combined. I know I hate to loose a type when some coins and notes are combined.
My suggestion is the following: Once a month there is a Team/Zoom meeting between the referees, Admin and sometimes the owner. At the next meeting I will take this as a topic and discuss it there. Once we have done so, I wll give you feedback.
Hope this is OK for you all.
Philip
Good afternoon everyone
At last I have been able to attend a Referee Zoom meeting this week. Here I had the opportunity to speak to Xavier about your suggestion/request.
The Guideline is clear in this regard, it is up to the referee to decide if these should be seperate or combined. I will take some time and look up and list all the German Banknotes where there this is an issue, seperate or together, and then I will make a suggestion.
Please remember that this will take time. Our Admin group have enough to keep themselves busy, and as we all do this in our spare time, we need to be mindful that it is summer in the northern hemisphere. At least you currently have the spot where to list your banknotes. If you don't then perhaps is is because this type has not been listed yet.
I will let you know of the progress. Thanks for your patience too date.
Philip
Ex-South African now living in Germany
Status changed to Started(Jarcek, 28 Haz 2023, 14:25)
With incoming possibility to have images for year lines, I would just argue for storing the images in the comment section if merged, at least for some time.
With incoming possibility to have images for year lines, I would just argue for storing the images in the comment section if merged, at least for some time.
This will certainly help here, as we don't yet have signature images for these notes.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
