Sorting Out Currencies for Baden [solved]

We recently sorted out the late 18th and early 19th century currencies for several south German states in this forum thread. However, owing to greater complexity for Baden, I thought it best to devote a separate thread to this state.

First, we need to merge the Margraviate and Grand Duchy, as these are the same state. Until that that's done, we'll need the same currency for the Margraviate as for the start of the Grand Duchy .

Up to 1819, we have the usual south German currency of

Conventionsthaler (1771-1819)

1 Conventionsthaler = 120 Kreuzer = 144 Kreuzer Land Münze

This currency would replace the current one for the Margraviate and "Thaler (1814-1837)" for the Grand Duchy .

We then have the Gulden (first in gold, later in silver) worth 60 Kreuzer (Land Münze, although the term doesn't appear on the coins) until 1829, when a Thaler of 100 Kreuzer was issued. There were also Kronenthaler (worth 162 Kreuzer) from 1813 but (as in other south German states) these seem to have been primarily trade coins rather than for general circulation. It isn't clear what unit was used for accounts in this period. Until more information becomes available, I propose the following new currency:

Gulden (1819-1837)

1 Gulden = 60 Kreuzer, 1 Thaler = 100 Kreuzer

This was then followed by the Gulden of the South German Monetary Union:

Gulden (1837-1872)

1 Gulden = 60 Kreuzer, 1¾ Gulden = 1 (Vereins)Thaler

This would replace the current “Gulden (1838-1873)”.

Any comments or corrections would be welcomed.

Thanks! I applied the changes, let me know if any other fix is needed

All the coins are in their correct places now but we need to sort out one more thing. We currently have two Baden, the Grand Duchy (which includes the Margraviate) and the Federal State. Can the Grand Duchy be renamed simply “Baden”? Then the banknotes issued by the Badische Bank can be moved there from the notgeld section.

ceh2019

All the coins are in their correct places now but we need to sort out one more thing. We currently have two Baden, the Grand Duchy (which includes the Margraviate) and the Federal State. Can the Grand Duchy be renamed simply “Baden”? Then the banknotes issued by the Badische Bank can be moved there from the notgeld section.

I dont think so because the federal state is a sub issuer of the dedicated notgeld section

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ceh2019

All the coins are in their correct places now but we need to sort out one more thing. We currently have two Baden, the Grand Duchy (which includes the Margraviate) and the Federal State. Can the Grand Duchy be renamed simply “Baden”? Then the banknotes issued by the Badische Bank can be moved there from the notgeld section.

I dont think so because the federal state is a sub issuer of the dedicated notgeld section

Why do we have a “dedicated notgeld section”? Notgeld isn't an issuer, it's a type of money (very loosely defined at that). Far better, now we have the ability to distinguish between ruling authorities, to have all the issues of Baden (and the other German states) in one section. We merge all kinds of separately named issuers elsewhere. Why split this issuer which didn't change it's name?

Notgelds were split from standard coinage because it was deemed too poluting the catalogue…

Nevertheless, we are currently in process of discussing possible ways how to erase some of these boundaries and make it more easily searchable.

One look at the French banknote catalogue proves your point about the “polluting” effect of local issues in the national sections. Can I suggest that we create a section within countries like Germany called something like "Towns, Cities and Regions" in which all local issues can go (in their own subsections)? This would be separate from the “German States” section, which we preserve for the independent states and their successor federal states within the Weimar Republic.