Please help 2 coins for ID/Value

Any help much appreciated, I've no idea on the first one. Coin Snap didn't identify. The second I think is Bolivia 8 Reales but no idea on the year or value as google is telling me wildly different values.

First one is one of or related to the following.

Yes, it seems to be closest to this one:  N#67251

I am seeing HANNS KRAUWINCKEL IN NVR on the side with the crowns

And GOTES REICH BLIBT EWICK ("God's Kingdom remains eternally?") on the side with the orb.

Here is a recent auction result that gives you an idea of the upper limit of what yours is worth.

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?lot=3215&p=lot&sid=4935