Offerings from Your Side

Users should be able to add in a swap what they want to offer, rather then only being able to ask for what they want.

E.g, I should be able to show straight away that I am offering this 2 Euros coin and I would like to trade it with your 2 Pounds coin that I have selected. The other person then can uncheck any item or add from either side to make the deal more suitable.

Yes it could be included in a message but it will save time and make the deal more swiftly.

How ridiculous it is that you cannot start a swap by offering your doubles to the other person and you have to ASK them to select the items you no longer want. This MUST be fixed!

I upvoted your idea b/c I have swap requests from members who have brand new (recent) notes of no interest to me. Swap requests are completely unbalanced.  It makes perfect sense to make proposals/offers.  Nobody appears to read the “what ____ wants” part of the profile.

Thank you Serial_Number_8 (sorry, I don't know your real name), this means a lot coming from you. Hopefully, those voting down because of an ill-will for me will actually read it now and think if it actually makes sense.

Even if it's still rejected, your vote on my side outweighs all of theirs.

This seems like a sensible way to approach swaps, and makes for a smoother set up. Gets my vote.

thegamesbond

 

Users should be able to add in a swap what they want to offer, rather then only being able to ask for what they want.

 

Have a nice day.

Yes, in many cases and subconsciously, every collector knows which of his coins are duplicates- which he would prefer for exchange already given his focus.  I did it with an additional notification of SWAP-for my partner that I also have these coins which I consider to be a suitable supplement for exchange.

I'll consider that a good idea.

Offering what I consider appropriate for the other party is also a sign of mutual benefit-  the counterparty either accepts or rejects it, however, the possibility to draw attention to it and demonstrate it is reasonable.
Example:

Many coins issued by the National Bank are interesting and sought-after and may not be known in the world, but they will be rarities for collectors in the future - I have them in microtene bags.

When someone approaches me for an exchange, they decorate silver for 100 crowns and do not see the rarities, blinded by their vision of rarity-just a quick look at what was on top of the pile of Czech coins - an ordinary 50 CZK from the year 2014, but it is sold in different ways and here in the bags there are mostly rarities:

Or this nice example: check your collection if you already have this 5-haller?    Those who don't have it don't know what Czech and Czechoslovakian numismatics are. ,,  This is where our concept of supplementing the collection begins and ends,,

This is also what the collection is about, not just the accumulation of gold-silver and precious stones. This is also what the collection is about, not just the accumulation of gold-silver and precious stones.

Ivan

Thank you, Ivan, for your great insight on the spirit of collection, you are one of those veterans of collecting whose knowledge never fails to amaze. Thank you once again for your great support!

I like the idea on the way where I can create a set among my coins for swap and offer them as a single set. E.g. I have a plenty of medieval coins for swap and I'm combining the ones I want to swap more than other to the sets like these and want to offer them without a possibility to pick only some coins from it. 

So it would be great to allow someone to choose a whole set using Numista swap mechanism without spending time to select coins one by one…. It would be also useful for the people who have country year sets in bank pack for swap

Thank you grinya!

I like the idea, especially as it can save some time at later stages in negotiating a swap. Say if only a couple of coins aren't available it would allow proposing replacements straight away.  

One of the reasons, thank you 53th0s!

thegamesbond

 

Users should be able to add in a swap what they want to offer, rather then only being able to ask for what they want.

E.g, I should be able to show straight away that I am offering this 2 Euros coin and I would like to trade it with your 2 Pounds coin that I have selected.

So you are suggesting that instead of me selecting what I want, you are telling me what I want? 🤔

smvdbrink

thegamesbond

 

Users should be able to add in a swap what they want to offer, rather then only being able to ask for what they want.

E.g, I should be able to show straight away that I am offering this 2 Euros coin and I would like to trade it with your 2 Pounds coin that I have selected.

So you are suggesting that instead of me selecting what I want, you are telling me what I want? 🤔

-Not at all.  It would just be a way to start the negotiation process (get the ball rolling) rather than always a request for such & such notes (while the person who requested the swap has only a few from recent/new series, etc). 

Might get a potential swapper to think about what he/she possesses (& what the other may need) before reaching out.

smvdbrink

thegamesbond

 

Users should be able to add in a swap what they want to offer, rather then only being able to ask for what they want.

E.g, I should be able to show straight away that I am offering this 2 Euros coin and I would like to trade it with your 2 Pounds coin that I have selected.

So you are suggesting that instead of me selecting what I want, you are telling me what I want? 🤔

In simple words: A proposer should be able to offer something they want to give away right at the beginning (with or without choosing anything from other person's list). Just this addition, everything else remains the same, if someone wants to click on what they want without offering anything (as it currently is) will still be an option. So please don't oppose the idea just because you enjoy opposing me.

thegamesbond

In simple words: A proposer should be able to offer something they want to give away right at the beginning (with or without choosing anything from other person's list). Just this addition, everything else remains the same, if someone wants to click on what they want without offering anything (as it currently is) will still be an option.

 

I really don't see the benefit here. I decide what I want to collect and what I'm interested in. How could you possibly know what I want? For me, swapping is about what I want to get, not about what I want to get rid of. Implementing this change would allow people to open swaps to ‘advertise’ their excess stock.

thegamesbond

 So please don't oppose the idea just because you enjoy opposing me.

Please, grow up.

I really don't see the benefit here. I decide what I want to collect and what I'm interested in. How could you possibly know what I want? For me, swapping is about what I want to get, not about what I want to get rid of. Implementing this change would allow people to open swaps to ‘advertise’ their excess stock.

I didn't start this suggestion to know your valuable opinion, vote anyway you want and be done with it; stop imposing your philosophy and opinions on me.

Please, grow up.

If you leave my posts alone, you wouldn't feel a need to act as a vigilante.

thegamesbond

I didn't start this suggestion to know your valuable opinion, vote anyway you want and be done with it; stop imposing your philosophy and opinions on me.

I'm not imposing anything on you specifically. You made a public suggestion to the community and I, as a part of the community, respond to that. I absolutely do not care what you think of my response, nor should you feel compelled to respond to it. Contrary to what you think, it is not a response to you personally. I think it's a bad suggestion, no matter who it comes from.

thegamesbond

 

I didn't start this suggestion to know your valuable opinion, vote anyway you want and be done with it; stop imposing your philosophy and opinions on me.

 

That's not how forums work, especially this one.  You're requesting a significant change.  All opinions both for and against have a right to be expressed.  Don't take it personally.  You cannot make a suggestion and limit discussion to only those members that agree with the  suggestion.  

That's not how forums work, especially this one.  You're requesting a significant change.  All opinions both for and against have a right to be expressed.  Don't take it personally.  You cannot make a suggestion and limit discussion to only those members that agree with the  suggestion.  

I totally understand and I apologize if it went a little too far but I have been grilled for expressing my opinions and it appears to continue. If he had left his opinion to everyone, I would not have said a word but he quoted me and I simply replied and then it continued. I mean every time I start a post, someone feels a need to be harsh, if you look at the posts you'll find that people often bullied and no one seemed to tell them off. 

I am really trying to avoid any conflict here but then it's not always my fault if I have to retort.

smvdbrink

I really don't see the benefit here. I decide what I want to collect and what I'm interested in. How could you possibly know what I want? For me, swapping is about what I want to get, not about what I want to get rid of. Implementing this change would allow people to open swaps to ‘advertise’ their excess stock.

Maybe you're right: I don't know.  I don't know how technical it would be to allow a swap proposal vs. keeping NUMISTA the way it is.  All I know (from personal experience) is that maybe 10% of Numista members read a person's profile &/or care about what the other person wants/collects. Just as few send a PM. Most of my swap proposals are from members with new series (which I could get from an exchange outlet) & there really is little for me to consider.  All are asking for my older discontinued banknotes (which is fine) & the majority of these swap proposals come from members who drop in from time to time. Fewer actually grade their inventory.  

@smvdbrink made some good points & I truly respect his POV.

But just to claify: I don't advertise “excess stock” nor consider a double I may have as notes “I want to get rid of.”  (Is that the way it works with the coin collectors?) I am fortunate in that I have a few collector friends who swap banknotes with me now & again & I don't rely on this site.  I also don't make suggestions to another collector unless they ask for my input (though I may make hints if I know what they're into). 

rsirian1

That's not how forums work, especially this one.  You're requesting a significant change.  All opinions both for and against have a right to be expressed.  Don't take it personally.  

I'm glad @rsirian1 jumped in here b/c I don't like to see bitter conflicts arise on forums over nothing.  It is great you are passionate @thegamesbond but try to step back, see the big picture & not be too invested on where a thread is headed.  Don't look at these as small battles to be won (victories in terms of who agrees or losses if others disagrees).  There's a lot of diversity in this hobby & that's awesome.

This topic (like the topic of “sales on Numista”) is completely irrelevant to me b/c I'm not here to sell (or swap) my notes though a swap once in the blue moon would be nice. That is the only reason I could not see any harm in allowing one to reach out & make swap suggestions.

I see plenty of situations when offering from your side may be reasonable

1) Swap partner chose one coin from a packed set and you need to offer all the other coins from it

2) Swap partner collects by type, but chose the rarest year and you want to offer more reasonable year to him

3) Swap partner chose VG coin and you want to offer an AU to him

4) Swap partner wants a coin from a particular issuer and don't care which exactly, but chose a type that you have only one coin, but you want to offer a coin that you have 20 pieces….

Grinya

I see plenty of situations when offering from your side may be reasonable

 

1) Swap partner chose one coin from a packed set and you need to offer all the other coins from it

2) Swap partner collects by type, but chose the rarest year and you want to offer more reasonable year to him

3) Swap partner chose VG coin and you want to offer an AU to him

4) Swap partner wants a coin from a particular issuer and don't care which exactly, but chose a type that you have only one coin, but you want to offer a coin that you have 20 pieces….

 

Ok, those are valid points where I can agree that ‘pushing' coins into a swap can be reasonable. However, it would be weird if they magically appear in the swap. There should be a place on the swap page where I can see what you are offering and why. It should then be my decision whether or not those coins are added to the swap.

I still feel that the scenario that was painted by TS is not a valid way of conducting a swap. The focus of this functionality should be to help your swap partner with what he/she wants, not what you want to offer.

hello,

I like this suggestion and i upvoted. But there is a conflict to the swap forum: There you can describe your part of possible swaps.

When will this be implemented after being upvoted for a long while now?

thegamesbond

 

When will this be implemented after being upvoted for a long while now?

It’s been downvoted as much as it has been upvoted. I still don’t think this should be implemented as it was presented originally.

I just saw this thread. 

I don't think we should change anything, since what we have works and has worked for some 20 years now.