Resignation from the position of Poland's referee

Hi All,

Since 7 years i have honor to be numista referee for Poland and previously referee for half of african countries. It was a great journey for me, talking about coins, discovering new coins and adding them to our catalog. I added about 1.6k coins to the catalog. However, looking at what decisions are made and what laconic answers I receive from the numista team, I have come to the conclusion that I have completely lost trust in the numista team. The best example is moving Silesia from one place to another without any dialogue with the referee. Double standards to some issuers…

Once upon a time, being as a referee, it was a value and his word mattered. Today there is practically nothing to say and decisions are made without any consultation or information that something has changed. One finds out by accident. Therefore, in reference to the above, I resign from the position of referee for Poland.My time is valuable, and I do not intend to participate in pointless ping-pong about changing a given coin where at the end it will be changed without any information.

 If you will have a question about coins from Poland, feel free to write to me, I will be happy to share my modest knowledge.

Regards,

Damian

First off, thank you for all your work. I completely understand why you resign, this whole discussion that has been happening over the last few days is truly just harmful to the collectors and without any sense. Sad to see you go

Hi all,

I also lost confidence in the Numista admin team last summer when they erased data for Canada without discussing it in private with me (before or after the fact). One thing lead to another and it finally got me fired yesterday as referee for Canada.

This is the ultimate proof of a lack of good communications between the admin team and the referees because a month ago, I expressed my intentions of resigning. 😂

Good luck to you all referees giving your free time and dedication to make this site great again as President Trump would say ! 😉

Best regards,

André

P.S. Before volunteer to be a referee, be prepared and ask yourselves how come so many dedicated referees are push to the point they resigned or get fired ! To the admin team, maybe, just maybe you should review and rethink your strategy and actions.

Bonsoir,

So sad to see two more referees go again. Will there be any referees left by the end of year ?

This admin team is incredible but not in a good way.

FYI

I have in the past submitted a few requests to update missing info on some banknotes and they have accepted all, except the last two. The referee did not like the way I submitted it. This will be my last contribution. From now on I will keep that info to myself.

One of the famous quotes from the tragedy Hamlet by William Shakespeare:

,, There is something rotten in the Danish state,,

It's no longer a coincidence, it's already a certainty that there is something bad, contradicting even the rules of the "NUMIST",-,,cult of personality,,

I am asking for leadership - a collective of leaders - think in the evening by candlelight where the mistake happened and how to fix the web treasure.

Is it syndrome burnout? 

But please, our fellow numismatist, the Holy Roman Emperor -Passionate coin collector and father of Maria Theresa (Karel VI.)

 - empress - negotiated for his daughter for many years "The pragmatic sanction is called the decree" negotiated with all the rulers-neighbors of Europe so that the daughter was taken in full measure and there were no wars for secession of territory and robbery of the monarchy.

Maria Theresia, full name Maria Theresia Walpurga Amália Kristýna, in German Maria Theresia Walburga Amalia Christiana from the House of Habsburg Archduchess of Austria, Queen of Hungary, Queen of Bohemia and Margrave of Moravia.

She would have to be turning in her grave over the news about Slezko theft and the arguments on our website.

Think about it!!!    The website belongs to us collectors and I am determined to fight for it on the Berlin Numismatic Fair as well. Let us not subvert and destroy it.

Only now, after a long time of evaluating the facts - psychoanalysis, I understood why my Moravian denarius - the fictitious exonumia from Great Moravia cannot be in Great Moravia and originally there was only someone who decided to cancel it and place it in an unknown country( Maria Theresia - and Margrave of Moravia)-so whoever does not want to include the ancestors of this country is a creator of confusion and does not have real thinking oriented in time and space.

Please, let's all think about where the mistake happened and fix it,

Ivan
 

It is indeed very sad to see two dedicated referees going. But I can fully understand why. I am relatively new to numista. But I have already experienced that it can be a frustrating experience. For example, I wonder if it makes sense taking the time to make contributions and then nothing happens with them.

Furthermore, I completely agree with what Québécois has said about the numista admin team and its strategy and action in his comment here in this thread.

Québécois

Hi all,

 

I also lost confidence in the Numista admin team last summer when they erased data for Canada without discussing it in private with me (before or after the fact). One thing lead to another and it finally got me fired yesterday as referee for Canada.

 

This is the ultimate proof of a lack of good communications between the admin team and the referees because a month ago, I expressed my intentions of resigning. 😂

 

Good luck to you all referees giving your free time and dedication to make this site great again as President Trump would say ! 😉

 

Best regards,

 

André

 

P.S. Before volunteer to be a referee, be prepared and ask yourselves how come so many dedicated referees are push to the point they resigned or get fired ! To the admin team, maybe, just maybe you should review and rethink your strategy and actions.

I think the position of referee is not needed anymore. The role of referee now is : shut up and accept the coins where we want not where they should be.  I believe that wrong is wrong even if everyone doing it and right is right  even when no one  doing it. 

I like your signature…

We, the former referees of Numista, should all change our signatures to something alike.

I just took a look at the long list of issuers without a referee and I was really surprised see so many issuers on it.

I'm also surprised by all the documentation about referees responsabilities and duties in the Documentation Center but one of my favorite is : 

What happens if a referee has an inappropriate behaviour?

Referees volunteer to hold a position of authority on Numista. Any purposeful malfeasance or abuse of this position through any means, including but not limited to manipulating, forging, or withholding information from the catalogue, for personal gain, for the illicit profit of a third party, or for any other reason, will result in the immediate discharge and permanent ban on all future roles in Numista.

Referees are expected to have a cordial attitude, be professional, and demonstrate impeccable ethical conduct, not only while performing their duties but also in private messages, on the forum, and during exchanges.  Misconduct may result in temporary or permanent suspensions or bans.  

The catalogue admins will also consider suspending a referee who systematically fails to follow the Numista guidelines. In this situation, referees will be formally notified prior to their suspension to discuss a solution.

Referees should not really be suprised by documentation about referees.

Québécois

I like your signature…

 

We, the former referees of Numista, should all change our signatures to something alike.

Well, i give numista 7 years of my live  as referee. A lot of contribution :)

Jarcek

Referees should not really be suprised by documentation about referees.

Jarek, can you tell me why in FAQ there is no info about Numista Team ? You are not transparent at all.

just simple question below:

• What can the numista team do special?
• What happens if a numista team has an inappropriate behaviour?

Jarcek,

Je ne suis plus un référent alors j'ai tous les droits sur Numista dont celui d'être surpris.

Il y a beaucoup de responsabilités et d'exigences à respecter pour les référents, on leur demande d'être parfait, poli, éthique, connaissant, disponible, rapide à agir pour des changements décidés par des ADMINS, on leur dit même quand ils peuvent prendre un pause mais il y a très peu, dans ces documents, d'exigences et de responsabilités des ADMINS surtout face aux membres qui attaquent publiquement les référents dans les forums et les harcèlent directement ou indirectement.

J'ai rarement vu un ADMIN prendre la défense d'un référent face à un ou des membres, j'aurais plutôt constater l'inverse.

Référent = Chair à canon face aux membres tant qu'à moi.

P.S. J'ajouterais dans votre documentation qu'on demande aux référents d'endurer toutes les conneries des membres (et aussi celles des ADMINS) sans rechigner et sans réagir… avec menaces de peine de suspensions ou des interdictions temporaires ou permanentes. (*)

* Quand on en est rendu à menacer ses propres bénévoles, on a de sérieux problèmes à régler.

Bonjour,

Ma courte expérience comme référente n'a pas été agréable non plus, j'ai vraiment eu l'impression d'être abandonée à moi-même par l'équipe des administrateurs face à cette tâche et aussi face aux membres.

Je ne conseille à personne de se lancer dans ceci, les membres sont très ingrats et je constate que la direction de Numista n'est pas mieux. Pas de loyauté ni de solidarité, ce n'est pas dans mes valeurs.

Adieu, je crois que je vais aussi quitter le site.

Team members are also referees. Thus FAQ applies to them as well. I have seen admin fired on a spot when found breaching these terms.

As your case shows, since you did not take into account reasoning from the referee, reasoning on the forum, reasoning from admin team on several ocassions and instead auto rejected correct requests from said member and threatened me that I should start looking for a new referee if I grant his right request, what would you have me do? What are my options really? You were witholding information from the catalogue, and that contradicts the referee requirements. When confronted, it continued, so we took last resort action.

Referees manage the catalogue, they do not decide who is going to contribute to it.

As for the FAQ mentioned by Doc_man, it is true it should mention also team members, even when it is already implied.