This is a message for the Numista team. The first thing I would like to clarify is that, for me, the Numista team is each one of us who, whether or not we have a specific position in the structure of the website, contributes or is willing to contribute something positive for Numista. From the last registered user who introduces his collection to the founder of the website himself. We are all part of the same team and, with our differences, we all have positive things to contribute to the website.
It saddens me, as a member of this family, to see how lately the Forum's conversations and debates are becoming a power struggle instead of trying to come up with solutions that make our website better. If in a boat some row forward and others backward, the boat will never move forward.
Obviously, the loss of referees who made a great contribution, in every sense, to Numista is a great disappointment for everyone, but I think this is a consequence of what I have commented before. It is not about seeing who is right, but about finding the best solutions to all the problems that may arise (and there are surely many).
I hope and wish that this message is understood from the positive side it intends. Let's continue discussing everything necessary to make a better website every day, but please, let's all try to pull in the same direction. 😊
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
All I can say is that this is a hobby that is meant to take away stress. I applaud the recent former referees for their contributions and volunteering their time. I also applaud the current team members who make equal efforts. Sometimes it just happens that people have different ideas on solutions, but we should all remember that we are doing it from a good place and so stay respectful.
For a while, I was managing the outings section and I felt I did a pretty good job of collating and scraping various topics from the forum into the Outings tab. At some point, Xavier said that he wanted to take it over to overhaul it and I was fine with that. it wasn’t as if it was my personal fiefdom but rather if he had ideas to make it better, I would certainly not stand in the way :)
I think it’s human tendency to get angry and frustrated when one puts in a lot of effort to only see things eventually go in another direction. So imo it’s worth remembering again this is all purely voluntary, so find that sweet spot where if you want to help, you can, but at the same time, you don’t get pulled into a situation where you feel your voice/contributions have not been sufficiently acknowledged
It's all about being flexible and able to do and understand compromises (guidelines are only good as long as they are agreed upon by all, but they should always be open to free discussions).
The biggest problem with this website are those that make the rules, have no concern for any of the rest of the membership, irrespective of whether or not it is of actual benefit to members. Is seems, from what I have been reading lately, the membership seem to be very unhappy with the way things are run. Obviously, with the recent spate of resignations, it seems that others have been pushed too far, with whom I completely agree.
The biggest problem with this website are those that make the rules, have no concern for any of the rest of the membership, irrespective of whether or not it is of actual benefit to members. Is seems, from what I have been reading lately, the membership seem to be very unhappy with the way things are run. Obviously, with the recent spate of resignations, it seems that others have been pushed too far, with whom I completely agree.
I think that the big problem (which is also the big advantage) of this website is that all the topics are debated in the Forum. On other websites I've been to, decisions are made by administrators without taking into account the opinions of others (there is no discussion forum). When there is, as in Numista, a place where everyone can express their opinion, that is when differences of opinions can occur. We are human and when the final decisions (someone must make them) are not the ones we like, it generates frustration. That is normal.
I have experienced this situation myself. I remember with the notgeld banknotes from Spain, that the decision was made that round or oval pieces of cardboard were considered coins for Numista. This is not the case in any catalog or specialized website in Spain, but in the end at Numista a general decision had to be made for the entire catalog. I had to understand it, accept it and I helped to transfer all those pieces to the coin catalog.
When there is debate, there are differences in criteria. We must learn to understand that our opinion will not always be the one that materializes.
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
I think we should shut the forum down for non coin related discussion.
I think there are too many silly threads from people with hazy images of fake, junk and low quality coins - only wanting a value and not offering anything else to our site or hobby.
Having a block feature would help, most of us no doubt have 1 or more odious people they are sick of seeing and interacting with their posts, just put a block button on and it would be so easy.
I found refereeing hard - as a lot of dodgy semi legal NCLT always came up for approval and I would get people sending angry emails over trivial details not being corrected quick enough.
The catalogue is a real asset though and its easily the best free one on the whole internet.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
the Free Discussion is the best part of the forum it would be stupid to get rid of it.
Moderate it more sure, but never make it not FREE
Many other coin forums feel so clinical and boring, it's hard to fit in with people there because it always felt like an outsider trying to get into some inner-circle.
And yes there are many people making threads about coins that seem junky, that's how people learn. never forget every coin collector was a beginner once.
The forum as it is (minus that actual threads that are pure garbage like conspiracy theories etc) a great place and feels unique, and if it was to suddenly go away and leave numista as just a catalog, it would hurt. I would become uncaring about the people behind the catalog if I couldn't interact or debate with them or talk about something other than coins.
My feeling about numista is, that changes are made too fast and nearly all the time now.
I joined in March 2012 and everything was fine until two years ago, no big disagreements with the administration, nor the referees. So everything was fine, no bad discussions as we have now.
Two years ago the powers that be, started to change a lot of things without any real need for the changes. To change just for the pleasure of changing is never a good idea. Then came the introduction of extra languages, but still only French and English are really used. A lot of effort for nothing in my opinion.
Anyway, I cannot change any of that, but I can protest in my small corner from time to time.
For my collection and my needs, numista is still the best, even when I often grumble about things😁
My feeling about numista is, that changes are made too fast and nearly all the time now.
For my collection and my needs, numista is still the best, even when I grumble about a things from time to time😁
Totally agree mate 🙃
I write a lot unnecessarily- , on the one hand, I have time - I am 80% lying on the bed for health reasons -and the NUMIST is my companion-from which I run to the working secretary-typewriter. I have my loved ones above it and the safe is somewhere else - I won't attach the plan now.😊
I open the desk where there is light and every day I look for "Hellenic coins-Greece", which I keep identifying all of them -and there are many of them that I will never give a birth certificate to.
*Yes, a numist is not just a collection manager
*is also a search helper
*and he is also a companion and gives me an idea of the life of other people on the planet/ their concerns-opinions - habits- and also politics
( see the communism thread)
*I also have friends in the world where I see my colleague in India regularly -on other networks I see his son growing up - I see and know his work - his family - his parents and his interests and on the contrary he knows what is happening at our house - regularly and with understanding and respect.
*I discourage new collectors from Asia from traveling to the EU and convince them to build their own state with rules ( He invites me to their home and wants to show me the life there and their gastronomy - which is great)
And that's what NUMIST is about
And opinions that those who do not only collect gold ducats and silver tollars like me are inappropriate and have no business here - please keep -you have reason and dignity. Every - absolutely every collector has different priorities - just as we are all originals, the interest in collecting changes and profiles.
Yes, it's like in that politics: escalation of management - referee - personal underappreciation and, on the contrary, burnout. But that's life - that's how it is. The referee cries that his opinion is not shared by the majority - yes, it's true, there are rules ( but he is or was a referee - and had the honor of managing his territory and enriching our website.)
Then there is me who offered my services and my time for the benefit of the site - I was rejected and rejected for reasons of not knowing the language ( That's what - how many of us can't achieve it?) Frustration - division - animosity is not appropriate.
A collector of paper notgelts is just as much a collector as a collector of counterfeit coins or gold ducats.
So calm down and understand colleagues-and let's look for a path of correction and understanding without stress.
Or does it seem to you that there is little to worry about even outside the web?
My feeling about numista is, that changes are made too fast and nearly all the time now.
For my collection and my needs, numista is still the best, even when I grumble about a things from time to time😁
Totally agree mate 🙃
I write a lot unnecessarily- , on the one hand, I have time - I am 80% lying on the bed for health reasons -and the NUMIST is my companion-from which I run to the working secretary-typewriter. I have my loved ones above it and the safe is somewhere else - I won't attach the plan now.😊
I open the desk where there is light and every day I look for "Hellenic coins-Greece", which I keep identifying all of them -and there are many of them that I will never give a birth certificate to.
*Yes, a numist is not just a collection manager
*is also a search helper
*and he is also a companion and gives me an idea of the life of other people on the planet/ their concerns-opinions - habits- and also politics
( see the communism thread)
*I also have friends in the world where I see my colleague in India regularly -on other networks I see his son growing up - I see and know his work - his family - his parents and his interests and on the contrary he knows what is happening at our house - regularly and with understanding and respect.
*I discourage new collectors from Asia from traveling to the EU and convince them to build their own state with rules ( He invites me to their home and wants to show me the life there and their gastronomy - which is great)
And that's what NUMIST is about
And opinions that those who do not only collect gold ducats and silver tollars like me are inappropriate and have no business here - please keep -you have reason and dignity. Every - absolutely every collector has different priorities - just as we are all originals, the interest in collecting changes and profiles.
Yes, it's like in that politics: escalation of management - referee - personal underappreciation and, on the contrary, burnout. But that's life - that's how it is. The referee cries that his opinion is not shared by the majority - yes, it's true, there are rules ( but he is or was a referee - and had the honor of managing his territory and enriching our website.)
Then there is me who offered my services and my time for the benefit of the site - I was rejected and rejected for reasons of not knowing the language ( That's what - how many of us can't achieve it?) Frustration - division - animosity is not appropriate.
A collector of paper notgelts is just as much a collector as a collector of counterfeit coins or gold ducats.
So calm down and understand colleagues-and let's look for a path of correction and understanding without stress.
Or does it seem to you that there is little to worry about even outside the web?
Ivan
What a beautiful reply!
I have always struggled to put into words how I felt about people thinking they're more “coin collector” than other people purely because their collections are bigger or more expensive, but this really hits home exactly what coin collectors are all about!
It's the changes that are made, without informing the membership that changes are going to happen.
I was once a member of the 300 club, which meant I had coins from 300 different countries then overnight, I went down to way below that number.
Next, countries were listed in alphabetical order, then, without any notice, countries went missing, such as Jersey, Guernsey and similar. After taking an absolute age to find them, I discovered they were moved to a new heading. If a new member joins this site, he/she is not looking for sub sections, so that was, in my opinion a terrible move.
Next move would be to have continent sections with each country within that continent listed as sub sections under that heading, then in a few months time, just have a world section, with all the countries listed under sub, sub, sub, sub, sub sections.
Since I joined this website, I believe it has gone backwards and those that run it, are to blame.
I think this is how all Topics should be treated, different opinions (sometimes even opposing ones) that can be shared by each and every one of us without getting into personal attacks or unnecessary drama.
Personally, I really want to thank all of you for your input on what Numista means to you (both the good and the bad). 😍
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
This is a message for the Numista team. The first thing I would like to clarify is that, for me, the Numista team is each one of us who, whether or not we have a specific position in the structure of the website, contributes or is willing to contribute something positive for Numista. From the last registered user who introduces his collection to the founder of the website himself. We are all part of the same team and, with our differences, we all have positive things to contribute to the website.
It saddens me, as a member of this family, to see how lately the Forum's conversations and debates are becoming a power struggle instead of trying to come up with solutions that make our website better. If in a boat some row forward and others backward, the boat will never move forward. Obviously, the loss of referees who made a great contribution, in every sense, to Numista is a great disappointment for everyone, but I think this is a consequence of what I have commented before. It is not about seeing who is right, but about finding the best solutions to all the problems that may arise (and there are surely many).
I hope and wish that this message is understood from the positive side it intends. Let's continue discussing everything necessary to make a better website every day, but please, let's all try to pull in the same direction. 😊
This is my favorite website on coins. Learned a lot here about coins and shared some of my knowledge as well. Thanks, everyone!
Especially the past 4 years have been extremely stessful to humanity, it is no surprise that part of this tension gets reflected in the forum. But every storm will eventually pass. Even the storm on Jupiter will likely end within the next two decades according to some scientists. I'm hopeful for better times.
Besides coins I love geometry. The avatar consists of each of the 35 hexominoes used precisely once. With the 5 large yellow shapes placed like this, the solution for tiling the remaining 30 hexominoes is unique.
I love Numista, the forum, the information on each coin, friends I made here, tring to help people in the identification section makes me feel helpful, and everything else was amazing.
But as said above, something wrong happened lately, looks like some dark cloud , sarcastic, apathic, an evironment of gloom mood.
Things like “this is uncertain and will frustrate users, so let's do it anyway”.
Maybe it's just temporary, maybe just impressions because the catalog growed so fast, or maybe really rot fruits in the basket.
I had 932 issuers other day, today it is 931. If I ask, I know the answer “you should not stick to the catalog”…
Really? It is not the purpose of the catalog?
Also, I do not like the argument “could be worse, some sites doesn't even have a forum”, yes, but could be BETTER!
I love Numista, the forum, the information on each coin, friends I made here, tring to help people in the identification section makes me feel helpful, and everything else was amazing.
But as said above, something wrong happened lately, looks like some dark cloud , sarcastic, apathic, an evironment of gloom mood.
Things like “this is uncertain and will frustrate users, so let's do it anyway”.
Maybe it's just temporary, maybe just impressions because the catalog growed so fast, or maybe really rot fruits in the basket.
I had 932 issuers other day, today it is 931. If I ask, I know the answer “you should not stick to the catalog”…
Really? It is not the purpose of the catalog?
Also, I do not like the argument “could be worse, some sites doesn't even have a forum”, yes, but could be BETTER!
Good night!
First of all, I tell you that I am impressed that you have 931 issuers. Wow 🤪!!! Congratulations, in my case it is also one of my goals (I'm only at 594), having the greatest number of issuers makes me very happy.
I also tell you that I follow the Forum a lot and your contributions are always very positive (like those of many users) and I understand, because I have also experienced it, the frustration when, faced with what you think should be a certain way, in the end that doesn't happen.
But this website has many users and we all have different opinions and things are not always done our way. It is logical. It is also true that the people who disagree with something are the ones who are most noticeable. Yes, some collaborators have left and many others are dissatisfied with certain decisions, but it is also true that there are many (the vast majority) who continue and will continue fighting (like you and me) for things at Numista to be done as best as possible, and continue making this website the best online Numismatics page.
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
Each collector has their own method of classification according to their interests This also applies to each successive referee in charge of the catalog everyone still needs to understand the logic there currently seem to be Countries, Territories (geography and/or history), and transmitters and/or workshops (history) just click to try to understand
Each collector has their own method of classification according to their interests This also applies to each successive referee in charge of the catalog everyone still needs to understand the logic there currently seem to be Countries, Territories (geography and/or history), and transmitters and/or workshops (history) just click to try to understand
Yes, you are right that we all have our own classification method. Mine, for example, is quite close to the general criteria of Numista, with some exceptions.
Perhaps it would be good if the classification system and general criteria used in Numista could be explained, as precisely as possible, so that all users could have it as clear as possible.
Looking at your photo and the general list, I understand that there is a first level that indicates the current territory to which the rest of the entities belong (or belonged) (level 2 onwards). In this level 2 we have the currently existing issuing country and, grouped at another level, the different states and cities that issued their own currency. I don't see it bad.
Perhaps, in this case, Afghan Cities could be on the same level as Afghan States and not within it, but I do not have enough knowledge about this territory and its monetary system to be able to give an informed opinion.
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
First of all, I tell you that I am impressed that you have 931 issuers. Wow 🤪!!! Congratulations, in my case it is also one of my goals (I'm only at 594), having the greatest number of issuers makes me very happy.
Thank you! 594 it is a lot!
I am always lookin for obscure and forgotten kingdoms, I guess collecting issuers makes us know the world a lot better!
But I feel like cheating with the notgelder, I have around 200 I guess, they are cheap and from several cities.
And sometimes I got really sad, like when they merged Order of Malta with modern Malta, looks tottally different historical coinage. But Swaziland and Eswatini is separated. So looks like there is no clear rule. But overall my method is the same of Numista, and I will stick to the catalog, even if the Referees are against that 😆
One thing I see, everyone wants everything more “separated”. I guess because increase the scope of coin collecting.
Great to see there's still many users in the Forum to cheer up our day!
And sometimes I got really sad, like when they merged Order of Malta with modern Malta, looks tottally different historical coinage.
I dont get this example. What bothers you? What we did is gather all coins from malta, successively under authorities of Order of Hospitallers, French rule, British rule then independent state. Coins evolve for sure, but exactly the same when Kingdom of France became a Republic then Empire: coins changed a lot, we still have one issuer only :-)
And sometimes I got really sad, like when they merged Order of Malta with modern Malta, looks tottally different historical coinage.
I dont get this example. What bothers you? What we did is gather all coins from malta, successively under authorities of Order of Hospitallers, French rule, British rule then independent state. Coins evolve for sure, but exactly the same when Kingdom of France became a Republic then Empire: coins changed a lot, we still have one issuer only :-)
Because users wants to, do you want me to make a thread about, and you know will be a winner against the merging.
Also Krause lists as a different issuer, also “The Order was expelled after the French First Republic invaded the islands in 1798” (wiki) and still exist as a separate entity even having their own coinage (that is now in exonumia, of course because if this will frustrate users, lets do it!), also the entire numismatic world treat as separate numismatic entry, but I will not bring such a debate when I am 100% sure how the refereees will treat that, and also do you.
But as someone said before, the users should not stick to the catalog.
Well it is a personal feeling about Numista post, glad to read what others have to say.
And sometimes I got really sad, like when they merged Order of Malta with modern Malta, looks tottally different historical coinage.
I dont get this example. What bothers you? What we did is gather all coins from malta, successively under authorities of Order of Hospitallers, French rule, British rule then independent state. Coins evolve for sure, but exactly the same when Kingdom of France became a Republic then Empire: coins changed a lot, we still have one issuer only :-)
Because users wants to, do you want me to make a thread about, and you know will be a winner against the merging.
Also Krause lists as a different issuer, also “The Order was expelled after the French First Republic invaded the islands in 1798” (wiki) and still exist as a separate entity even having their own coinage (that is now in exonumia, of course because if this will frustrate users, lets do it!), also the entire numismatic world treat as separate numismatic entry, but I will not bring such a debate when I am 100% sure how the refereees will treat that, and also do you.
But as someone said before, the users should not stick to the catalog.
Well it is a personal feeling about Numista post, glad to read what others have to say.
Well, I know this is not a proper Topic, but I will give my opinion on it.
First of all, I don't think there are right or wrong ways to classify the different issuers, but rather different points of view and options.
In my opinion, the one that Numista has taken with respect to the Order of Malta is one more option, just as valid as the others, but I, taking into account the special status of said Order (I think it is a unique case) and the relevance of the coins in the numismatic world, I think it would be more appropriate to create a different issuer (inside or outside of Malta, that is no longer clear to me).
As for the more modern lira coins, I think it's not bad that they were moved to Exonumia, although I don't have much information to give a reliable opinion.
One more opinion but, whatever is decided, it is not going to bother me, worry me or make me excessively happy, we all have more important personal issues, hehehe.😉
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
Because users wants to, do you want me to make a thread about, and you know will be a winner against the merging.
Also Krause lists as a different issuer, also “The Order was expelled after the French First Republic invaded the islands in 1798” (wiki) and still exist as a separate entity even having their own coinage (that is now in exonumia, of course because if this will frustrate users, lets do it!)
Let me try to explain our rationale, because I feel it's a bit unfair to make as if we were cruel on purpose with collectors.
The reason why we gather together all coins from a single issuer is for instance because we also have Malta users who are happy to have their issuer being coherent all along its history :-) (cf the ⅓ Farthingwhich were sorted as British still recently). It's why Admin's work is sometimes not understood I feel: we have to take into accounts universal needs, and try to find a catalogue structure allowing it. No other catalogue is referencing all coins and banknotes from the world on a 2600 years period.
Like for any other issuer in the catalogue which kept same territory, we have successive ruling authorities: Order's coinage was followed by French issue, then British ones like above, then independent ones starting 1972. Cutting this issuer in 2 parts just because the Hospitallers once ruled it would be a unique thing in the catalogue, not respecting our guidelines nor the Malta reality I believe. To make a comparison, should I cut France in 2 parts because some Exonumia was issued in the name of French Empire after it became again a Republic?
Modern Order was created in 1961, and their coinage is not legal tender but collector's currency helping them to fund their international charity work. It's why we moved it to Exonumia like other coins of this category, but we totally understand the frustration of this whole section, it's why we're working on revamping the Numista's menus to divide way less coins/banknotes and Exonumia :-)
because we also have Malta users who are happy to have their issuer being coherent all along its history
Ok then.
Order of Malta as sub issuer of Malta would make everyone happy with none against it.
But I'm not even going to try to start a request that will already born defetead by referees. Let the frustration prevail.
Indeed, we have a new feature called “Period issuers”, allowing to differentiate sub issuers when there was a change of name along history.
Issue is that Order of Malta was not named this way before 1825 apparently, so it does not really qualify as a change of name, right?
This entire topic is already in discussion here Also, just made a change so that, if you type “Order of Malta” in the issuer search field of the coin catalogue, it will also return Malta, in case you are interested in the coin minted by the Order in the 16th-18th century.
(cf the ⅓ Farthingwhich were sorted as British still recently). It's why Admin's work is sometimes not understood I feel: we have to take into accounts universal needs, and try to find a catalogue structure allowing it. No other catalogue is referencing all coins and banknotes from the world on a 2600 years period.
And most members were against your decision, you remember? What are those “universal needs", where are they defined.
Anyway, we're in the wrong thread here, this has nothing to do with “personal feelings about Numista”, so please stay on the subject (all of us!!)
because we also have Malta users who are happy to have their issuer being coherent all along its history
Ok then.
Order of Malta as sub issuer of Malta would make everyone happy with none against it.
But I'm not even going to try to start a request that will already born defetead by referees. Let the frustration prevail.
Indeed, we have a new feature called “Period issuers”, allowing to differentiate sub issuers when there was a change of name along history.
Issue is that Order of Malta was not named this way before 1825 apparently, so it does not really qualify as a change of name, right?
This entire topic is already in discussion here Also, just made a change so that, if you type “Order of Malta” in the issuer search field of the coin catalogue, it will also return Malta, in case you are interested in the coin minted by the Order in the 16th-18th century.
Why not like so many others? The Malta users will not like?
because we also have Malta users who are happy to have their issuer being coherent all along its history
Ok then.
Order of Malta as sub issuer of Malta would make everyone happy with none against it.
But I'm not even going to try to start a request that will already born defetead by referees. Let the frustration prevail.
Indeed, we have a new feature called “Period issuers”, allowing to differentiate sub issuers when there was a change of name along history.
Issue is that Order of Malta was not named this way before 1825 apparently, so it does not really qualify as a change of name, right?
This entire topic is already in discussion here Also, just made a change so that, if you type “Order of Malta” in the issuer search field of the coin catalogue, it will also return Malta, in case you are interested in the coin minted by the Order in the 16th-18th century.
Why not like so many others? The Malta users will not like?
As Ole said, please continue this discussion on the dedicated thread :-)
I would just like to give a quick shout out to Compendium for taking the time and patience to explain the Numista teams point of view. It’s not something he is bound to do; Numista is not an obligated democracy, neither is he getting the appropriate appreciation imo for the brickbats I assume he’s receiving on a regular basis from some dissatisfied user/referee Or the other
@Compendium, I don’t always agree with decisions of referees/moderators in regards to catalogue or other things, but I fully appreciate and respect the time and energy you all volunteer to keep this site running and make it better. I only hope members commenting here and in general, pause to remember that as we continue to post in this thread :)
I would just like to give a quick shout out to Compendium for taking the time and patience to explain the Numista teams point of view. It’s not something he is bound to do; Numista is not an obligated democracy, neither is he getting the appropriate appreciation imo for the brickbats I assume he’s receiving on a regular basis from some dissatisfied user/referee Or the other
@Compendium, I don’t always agree with decisions of referees/moderators in regards to catalogue or other things, but I fully appreciate and respect the time and energy you all volunteer to keep this site running and make it better. I only hope members commenting here and in general, pause to remember that as we continue to post in this thread :)
Fully agree!!!!! 😉
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
If in a boat some row forward and others backward, the boat will never move forward.
Great metaphor @oynbcn!
I feel that Numista's greatest strength (allowing/encouraging so much participation- with the construction of a catalogue + open discussion centred around the site itself) is also its weakness (of a sort). Letting so many diverse individuals contribute fosters a sense of ownership & then several of these members (esp the ones who put a lot of work into it) get their noses out of joint if suddenly the admin don't agree. So, that's why we have disgruntled ex-referees. I don't think its very complicated but quite obvious.
But it doesn't just end there. The forum has had a few threads to encourage members to “be nice to new members” & other threads (which went way off topic) deleted for good reasons. Many members who contribute think they're authorities or it is okay to go off on personal tangents, be super sarcastic (etc) forcing moderators to take action.
When I first joined Numista, I tried to give some input to the catalogue & was surprised at how passionate some members became (in opposing my POV). Fine & I can't even recall the exact topic (inconsequential now). I tried to dismiss it but then realized that any time I made a post that same member had a healthy case of ODD against any position I took. I realized that there many collectors who contribute at various stages of collecting (at various ages) & just figured (like @asholobo - I do this to relax/not get worked up/angered) & it wasn't worth getting into a “spitting match” over. I know several collectors (mostly veterans who've been at this hobby for 20-30 years) who won't participate on this site & I suspect it has something to do with the age/level of maturity (& the passionate spitting matches).
But I love Numista for one simple reason: it feels more like a global forum & does not have 80-90% US content. [Not that I dislike US collectors (or US content)]. It's just that most Coin/banknote forums/sites are US-centric.
I also find its functionality (the banknote catalogue) super impressive & far superior (that way) to most other sites which strive to provide a similar service. It is very democratic (which is IMO the reason we have to remind ourselves that there will always be divergent opinions aired + a sense of ownership/entitlement which may be misplaced/over reaching).
Change is good. WE may not like it but that's the world we live in (constantly changing). The catalogue is constantly in a state of flux and we just have to accept that.
Hello everyone, hope you are well. Alot of good thoughts have been brought up. Numista is a living thing, so change is going to be natural.
we may not like it, but it will happen. I'am not a fan on how the county list is, but i can see why it came about. I'an an old fart ,a coin go in the name what is on the coin, with no sub sections. But that is me. I can break the country list how i want to. There are really no rules. You can do or collect the way you want. I do love is site, and all the people. And want to thank everyone who as put there time in this site It has made it what it is. One of the best coin etc ,site on the net.
You every hear the saying, put 3 humans in a room an nothing will get done. At least things are getting done. You will never please everyone, but you sure can piss everyone off. Just one more saying. Just because it pops in your head means it should come out of your month. Updated just because it pops in your head means you should type it. Oh how things have changed. So it comes down to. You want a living site,change. Or a dead site with no change.
because we also have Malta users who are happy to have their issuer being coherent all along its history
Ok then.
Order of Malta as sub issuer of Malta would make everyone happy with none against it.
But I'm not even going to try to start a request that will already born defetead by referees. Let the frustration prevail.
The reason I'm with Geison on this matter is that the Order of Malta and the country Malta are only related in name, but they're entirely different entities. The Order of Malta is a souvereign Military Order that even today issues coins, completely independent from the country Malta. They have a postal address in Rome, Italy. https://postemagistrali.orderofmalta.int/en/numismatics/
I'm not sure about how to properly list it though. Micronations perhaps?
Besides coins I love geometry. The avatar consists of each of the 35 hexominoes used precisely once. With the 5 large yellow shapes placed like this, the solution for tiling the remaining 30 hexominoes is unique.
This not the propet thread to discuss specific themes.
True. @Geison: please start a new thread on the order of Malta matter.
Besides coins I love geometry. The avatar consists of each of the 35 hexominoes used precisely once. With the 5 large yellow shapes placed like this, the solution for tiling the remaining 30 hexominoes is unique.
This not the propet thread to discuss specific themes.
Thanks Ole, since we are on the Topic of personal feelings about Numista, I take this opportunity to comment that one of the things that I use the most on this website are your fantastic designs on the different variants, since I collect by year, mint and variant.
Really a magnificent job. I also value the intention to enrich, not only Numista, but the numismatic world in general. Congratulations!!! 👌
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
To stay on top of the remarkable work done on the redesign of the catalog, please allow this: on July 7 there were 308 entries in the catalog from the Coins page there are now 773 and once all sections are developed 5092
Avzx my congratulations I would make 2 remarks
- A section is a part of a whole which to distinguish it should have a unique personal name - What does the icon at the end of the title mean?
Please, let's admit I did not “kick out” anyone… Can we agree on that? This type of reaction does not help collaboration, I think the core of Oynbc original message above was precisely to avoid this :-)
In the thread you linked, I feel I took all the time needed to explain our current Guidelines. I did not accepted or rejected the request, as we need time for members to read it and maybe other elements to the discussion. I even pointed you to another thread I personally launched suggesting to do exactly what you request, not for Malta alone but for the entire catalogue. Because I sincerely believe we need rules which work everywhere, not case by case approach based on who is louder on each topic…
Is there a specific topic relating to the new presentation of the coins catalog?
In order to transfer my messages there in a collective spirit of improvement
Xavier will work on a mockup; he will be able to share it with the community for feedback as soon as a first draft is ready, probably in the coming months
