Difference in 2 coins for id

Discussion about Bahmani, Sultanate of • ½ Gani - Taj ud din Firuz Shah

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What is the difference between N#142746 and this coin?

Arnav

I am no expert but the weight is the first thing I noticed oh and then the diameter ok that's just slight….. Am sure others will be along to point out other differences…. 

There is no difference whatsoever and the one listed as ⅓ Gani is not correct, N#142746

The coins are both 1 Falus, BH66, the weight range varies considerably and Goron/Goenka list it as 4.7-5.5g (which can still vary even more)

Vic

Definitely differences in weight as well as some differences in some of the script and placement of the script but that MAY be due to different dies. 

The claimed ⅓ Gani does not  even exist for this ruler, there is ⅓ Falus, tiny coins weighing  1.3-1.8g. 

The coins above, can only be BH66 ( listed as extremely common) and are the only coins anywhere near this weight apart from BH70A Paisa of 4.5g with completely different legends. 

 

Variation is definitely due to different dies, I probably have a dozen of these , all from different dies, actually finding a die match on many of the Sultanate series would be most unusual

Vic

So make the changes in the Numista catalog if what you claim is factual. 

Edit: request the changes in the Numista catalog.

harryg

So make the changes in the Numista catalog if what you claim is factual. 

Edit: request the changes in the Numista catalog.

 

What do you mean by “if what you claim is factual.” ??    Do you have Goron & Goenka coins of the Indian Sultanates?  clearly not  so don't make assumptions on coins you  know absolutely nothing about

Vic

What do you mean what do I mean ? To make changes or corrections to the catalog you must prove your argument to the Numista referees. Don't make claims with out proof.  You are proclaiming errors in the Numista catalog.  Prove it arrogant one. What do you not understand?

harryg

What do you mean what do I mean ? To make changes or corrections to the catalog you must prove your argument to the Numista referees. Don't make claims with out proof.  You are proclaiming errors in the Numista catalog.  Prove it arrogant one. What do you not understand?

I have no intention of altering other members listings, Proof is in the definitive  G/G catalogue as already mentioned

And for your information I have already found numerous errors in the Indian section which have since been corrected by others.

Vic

All 3 edits in 12 years. Congratulations on all your contributions. BTW, you have not helped the OP one iota or contributed anything here except to pronounce your self proclaimed expertise, cite a obscure and alleged infallible catalog, and stroke your own ego. You must be very proud of yourself.

harryg

All 3 edits in 12 years. Congratulations on all your contributions. BTW, you have not helped the OP one iota or contributed anything here except to pronounce your self proclaimed expertise, cite a obscure and alleged infallible catalog, and stroke your own ego. You must be very proud of yourself.

The world renowned catalogue I quote from is used for refs on Numista, zeno and just about everywhere in the world of Indian Sultanates but because you have no knowledge of it then therefore it can't possibly be relevant, good grief

Vic

harryg

All 3 edits in 12 years. Congratulations on all your contributions. BTW, you have not helped the OP one iota or contributed anything here except to pronounce your self proclaimed expertise, cite a obscure and alleged infallible catalog, and stroke your own ego. You must be very proud of yourself.

On the contrary, I have pointed out the error in a posting, pointed out that the two coins in question are the same type.

 You however have added absolutely nothing other than a dumb comment that a handstruck coin “might” have die differences and then turned yourself into a troll because, as I already pointed out, you know nothing about this subject do you???

Vic

Get over yourself child. I do not make claims I can't substantiate. You did.

harryg

Get over yourself child.

I think we should stop now before you embarrass yourself even further

Vic
Vic

The yellow coin has 2 dots on the bottom of the obverse unlike the better condition coin , but what if that part was not struck on the planchant

Arnav

Coinwalla

The yellow coin has 2 dots on the bottom of the obverse unlike the better condition coin , but what if that part was not struck on the planchant

The script on that side reads as Firuz shah bahmani,  and those  diacritic marks (dots called nutqa)  belong to the  end of the word Bahmani but are not always in place, I have seen examples with 2 dots, one dot and no dots which is simply down to the engravers error

The mint and date on these coins is rarely visible because it is in the margin circle,  See https://www.zeno.ru/search.php?searchid=52297 for more examples

Vic

Did Taj ud din firuz shah have a ⅓ gani coin?

Arnav

Coinwalla

Did Taj ud din firuz shah have a ⅓ gani coin?

Like many of the Indian Sultanates the Bahmani copper coins are listed as Falus 

 As I already mentioned on my 2nd post above

 “The claimed ⅓ Gani does not  even exist for this ruler, there is ⅓ Falus, a tiny coins weighing  1.3-1.8g.” 

Vic

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