We had already made exchanges. On July 25th I sent him 161 coins for a fairly high value. He didn't send anything. They arrived on August 4 and he accused me of sending only 124. Absolutely false. And in any case he should have already sent them. He wrote to me that he will send them back to me. I don't think it will happen. He also created a fake user "Vanda helena gomes". It's always him.
I know of two other people who are experiencing the same thing (Angel1 receives the coins/bills but doesn't send anything). If someone else has the same problem, let me know that we could file a complaint together.
hi i sent 86 coins for a very high value. in exchange he had to send me coins and banknotes. unfortunately he cancelled his account as a numista. a real scammer. in any case i have activated the police of cape verde through the consulate. let's hope he at least gets into trouble with the law
Excuse me for asking this silly question. When a deal goes wrong, how can a local law enforcement get involved in this? This is a two-way dispute and in commercial term, one would have to hire a lawyer and have this settled in court. I am not saying that you guys made this up, but even this was a scam, I believe there is nothing you can do, unless you want to buy an air ticket and pay him/her a surprise visit. I am sure Interpol have much better thing to do that to get involved in such dispute, unless I am wrong. Here, we have name and shame TV programme (Current Affairs), and I have not seen one that involving numismatic collection.
Even if you have a law enforcement knocked at his/her door, he/she can always counterclaim.
hi ahkai I don't know how justice works in Australia. In Europe you don't need a lawyer to file a fraud complaint. Lawyers are needed for a dispute that takes place in Court. Instead, when a citizen is reported he describes the facts to a Police station and then the latter investigates the scammer. I am aware that I lost the coins. However, since it is my right to file a complaint, I think it is my duty to do so also to enter the name of the scammer into the police database.
Do any of you have a personal email from Angel? It might be useful to find it online
The last address we ship to is a post office box. And he indicated a different telephone number than the previous one: Miguel Angel Sosa Cruz Rua Cristiano de Sena Barcelos CP 2121- 028 Mindelo São Vicente Tlf: + 2389777202 Cabo Verde
I had previously sent to: Miguel Angel Sosa Cruz Rua Domingos Ramos 19 a Mindelo - Centro São Vicente Cp: 2121 Tlf: +2389353726 Cabo Verde
There must have been seven of those defrauded. Now there are four of us. Shall we wait a few more days before doing something?
I'm looking for it online (facebook, instagram,...) but I can't find it. There are many Miguel Angels…
It seems that in Cape Verde few places have an address and a house number, it's a big problem that the vast majority of African countries have. Only central places like banks, offices or something state-owned. It may be that Angel purchased telephone numbers that he used for a limited time (disposable).
If you gave us a false address and name, as soon as the order arrives in the country, the postman, seeing that no such address exists, sends a message to the phone containing the package. When that person arrives at the post office, simply showing the message will do it. give him the package.
Many years ago I lived for a while in a country where you did not have to show any ID to rent a post office box. As long as the post office box number was on the shipment it would be delivered there. In order to empty the post office box you needed to show the receipt of paying rent for the post office box. In principle any name could be used and anyone could empty the post office box.
In second swap I sent 109 pieces of coins. All together with high value. I have sent the parcel via Hermes at 24.07.2024. The tracking system of Hermes says the parcel received at 18.08.2024.
The last time when he replied at the chat was at 26.06.2024.
This address he gave me for the second swap:
His email which he gave me is:
But I don't know if its the real email? I neuer tried it. It was only for sending the parcel via Hermes.
One more information which I got from him is that he works at a ship. He always works at the ship for 30days and than he has 15days free time at home. He must do this work at the ship….
It seems to me that everyone involved here has had multiple “perfect” swaps with Angel1 until the last one. Seems strange that Angel1 suddenly became possessed by the devil. Seems more like there’s the real Angel1 and the imposter Angle1. Be careful who and how you accuse of fraud.
I do not know this person, offcourse. But maybe something happened with him or he is not in a position to answer once he is on a ship. I suggest to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least for some time.
Yvon no benefit of the doubt. in the same period he answered someone and not someone. also when he received 3 negative feedbacks he cancelled himself from numista. so I believe there are no doubts about the intentions of the subject. I add that today's ships are not the sailing ships of the seventeenth century where once embarked you were isolated for months. now the ships are connected perhaps better than certain states.
Yvon no benefit of the doubt. in the same period he answered someone and not someone. also when he received 3 negative feedbacks he cancelled himself from numista. so I believe there are no doubts about the intentions of the subject. I add that today's ships are not the sailing ships of the seventeenth century where once embarked you were isolated for months. now the ships are connected perhaps better than certain states.
That all may be the truth. But a fact is we do not know his side of the story. I got the feeling it is not on purpose…with such a name…:)
We will never know his version of the facts because if there was an excuse he would not have closed the nickname without giving any clarification. If he were in good faith instead of closing the nickname he would have written something, don't you think? However I do not hide from you that I do not understand why one should question the version of facts of various users who have a history of over ten years of exchanges all carried out in a perfect way... while trying to find an excuse for a person who took a few thousand euros in coins from various users and then closed the nickname in defiance of everyone. Forgive me but I really struggle to understand.
There are 8 people who had an ongoing swap with Angel1 These people sent the coins but received nothing.
1) MicheleTN -> 385 euro + spedition cost 28,60 euro 2) Coinsmor 3) Bomen 4) Th77han 5) MIMAEL 6) John3 16 -> 377 euro + spedition cost
7) S S Asfar was, fortunately, notified before shipping so he didn't lose anything... 8) ???
This is to take stock of the situation
Much time has passed and Angel1 is unresponsive and has deleted his account. His last message was sent to me on August 3rd. On that date I had sent him the coins (sent on July 25th). He should have sent them already...
I see that there are people, not interested in the situation, who defend Angel1. I don't know on what basis they do this but they are definitely wrong.
The last address we ship to is a post office box. And he indicated a different telephone number than the previous one: Miguel Angel Sosa Cruz Rua Cristiano de Sena Barcelos CP 2121- 028 Mindelo São Vicente Tlf: + 2389777202 <- S S Asfar told me he answered this number Cabo Verde
I had previously sent to: Miguel Angel Sosa Cruz Rua Domingos Ramos 19 a Mindelo - Centro São Vicente Cp: 2121 Tlf: +2389353726 Cabo Verde
EMAIL sosacruzmiguelangel9@gmail.com
It seems that he works at a ship. He always works at the ship for 30days and than he has 15days free time at home (salor: guards, maintenance, quartermaster...).
It seems that in Cape Verde few places have an address and a house number, it's a big problem that the vast majority of African countries have. Only central places like banks, offices or something state-owned. It may be that Angel purchased telephone numbers that he used for a limited time (disposable). If you gave us a false address and name, as soon as the order arrives in the country, the postman, seeing that no such address exists, sends a message to the phone containing the package. When that person arrives at the post office, simply showing the message will do it. give him the package. Let's hope not.
Hello colleagues, I am listed as serial number ,,5,, and claim that I had a SWAP from NiKem,,Angel 1,,
I am not aware of it and have no record of it. I don't even remember anything like that.
And it never happened to me that I got ripped off-robbed of coins, even when I send first. I also have my own solution - because it can happen to me too.
Hello colleagues, I am listed as serial number ,,5,, and claim that I had a SWAP from NiKem,,Angel 1,,
I am not aware of it and have no record of it. I don't even remember anything like that.
And it never happened to me that I got ripped off-robbed of coins, even when I send first. I also have my own solution - because it can happen to me too.
Angel 1 he didn't even address me.
Ivan
Excuse me. I got confused. Then two people who were exchanging with Angel1 are missing.
I don't know if we ever will have success if we will contact police or anyone else?
I think my coin value I will not get back.
Now its the question …. Is it worth to have stress with anything and anyone which I can not change?
I think life is too short to have problems.
I think this guy must have a big problem. Either psychic problems or extremely financial problems. For me the lost money was no small thing but I don't want to have stress in my life with anything which I can not change.
I will pray for him and for his problems.
I know that god will judge him because he scammed me. Thats not my turn.
So I will not doing something about him.
But best wishes from me to all who tries to get her coins or coin value back. Best wishes and much success for all undertakings! Good luck!
You are correct that 2121 is the zip code, since Cabo Verde zip codes has four digits, but the three digits after the hyphen is the number of the post office box. There is a similar system in the US.
Why don't we have some form of identity confirmation here? National ID, driving licence…?
There is no way you will find me providing you or any one with such personal info. In this day and age, one should worry about privacy and identity theft etc.
Why don't we have some form of identity confirmation here? National ID, driving licence…?
There is no way you will find me providing you or any one with such personal info. In this day and age, one should worry about privacy and identity theft etc.
With billions of users on social media and shopping online you are still concerned about identity theft?!
I am on the internet from the time of gopher, before http was born (yes, I am that old) and I have never had any issues with privacy.
My PC was hijacked (ransomware) once, years ago, but - having everything backed up - I simply formatted the machine and life was good again.
If you prefer losing $$$ to a scammer here (or anywhere else) to a potential “identity theft” - have it your way.
There are ways of proving one's identity without disclosing any really important info.
It seems like you might not know how serious identify theft could be.
Numista is just a platform for numismatists to interact, exchange and enjoy, implementing ID checks would be senseless as it's private information of a person, not everyone is comfortable with sharing their birthday and year, gender, full name, face, etc, not to forget the very important ID number, people can do anything with it, make new fraud bank accounts, apply for loans, hack into your government platform account and so much more.
What Numista could do instead is to let go of easy standards like anyone can swap easily, some new rigourous method could be applied like sending a form to Numista team proving their collection, and apply very strict terms and conditions like some sort of verification process where verified members could swap easily but the newer members would have to wait and their swaps would be monitored or like newer members must send first with tracking number only, etc
I hope my two cents were simple :D
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If you're suggesting that Numista monitor and police swaps between members you can probably forget that ever happening. That would be too much potential liability for the ownership to ever take on. The risk in any exchange is solely on the members doing the swapping.
If you're suggesting that Numista monitor and police swaps between members you can probably forget that ever happening. That would be too much potential liability for the ownership to ever take on. The risk in any exchange is solely on the members doing the swapping.
Fair enough, maybe that's the only plausible way
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I thought I would mention that members have recently new option to add their social media links to their profile. While I understand that people are concerned with security, but I would personally trust more when person is reachable also somewhere else than just on Numista.
I thought I would mention that members have recently new option to add their social media links to their profile. While I understand that people are concerned with security, but I would personally trust more when person is reachable also somewhere else than just on Numista.
