muzz0000
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Posted: 12 Eyl 2024, 23:20
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Busy entering 100,s of Notgeld into Numista list
All is going well, but moderater wants me to translate German watermarks into English
Does anyone have such a list ,or a link to it
Feklisov
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Posted: 15 Eyl 2024, 19:53
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There is a list of watermarks (with pictures) in the book “Deutsche Serienscheine von 1918-1922” by Manfred Mehl.
muzz0000
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Posted: 16 Eyl 2024, 04:51
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Thanks for that ----------do you have a copy of that book that you could scan for me I found a list in old WORLD PAPER MONEY with 19 weatermarks, but there must be alot more as some I cannot find
Feklisov
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Posted: 16 Eyl 2024, 17:02
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Idolenz
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Posted: 16 Eyl 2024, 19:19
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There are quite a few more it seems (LINK ) from page 16 onwards
Translations:
Achteckfluss – Octagon flow (I wouldn't now what either really meant if I read it)Altrussisches Muster – Old Russian Pattern Bandwerk – Strapwork or how it also looks Chainlink Birnenquadrate oder Birnenmuster – Pear squares or Pear Pattern Bogenkreuzmuster – Arching Cross Pattern or how it looks Wavy Cross Pattern Breslauerwaben – Breslau Honeycomb C-F-M-Kopfmuster oder Frauenkopfmuster – CPE-Muster – CPE Pattern Deltamuster – Delta Pattern Dreieckrad – Triangle Wheel Drei Sterne im Sechseck – Three Stars in a Hexagon 43 – 43 Dunkle Kreuze – Dark Crosses Faber-Männchen – Faber Figurine Flämmchen – Little Flames F-S-G-Muster – F-S-G Pattern Furchen – Furrows F-W-Muster – F-W Pattern Giesecke-Dreipass-Muster – Giesecke Trefoil Pattern Kleine Giesecke-Stimmgabeln – Little Giesecke Tuning Forks Giesecke-Z-Hakenmuster oder Giesecke-Z-Muster – Giesecke Z Hook Pattern or Giesecke Z Pattern with G and D in Stars for Giesecke & DevrientG-S-Muster – G-S Pattern Hakenkreuzmuster – Swastika Pattern Hakenmäander – Hooked Meander Haußmann-Wellen – Haußmann Waves Hermann Stimmgabel – Hermann Tuning Fork Hohenofener Wellen – Hohenofen Waves Helle Kreuze – Light Crosses Ineinandergestellte Kreuze – Interlocked Crosses Kaiser Vitellius - Emperor Vitellius Karomuster – Rhombus Pattern Kelche – Chalices Kölner Waben – Cologne Honeycombs Konturenkette – Contour Chain Kreise und Vierecke from the depiction makes no sense it should be Große Kreise auf Gitter – Big Circles on Lattice Kreuzblumenmuster - Cross flower pattern Kreuzblüten oder Vierpass – Cross Flowers or Quatrefoil Kreuze in Quadraten – Crosses in Squares Kreuzmäander – Cross Meander L in Quadraten – L in Squares Lilienmuster – Lily Pattern Helle Linien – Light Lines Mäander – Meander Marmor – Marble Mauerwerk – Masonry Ovale mit vier Srahlen – Ovals with four Rays Ovale mit acht Srahlen – Ovals with eight Rays Oval-Muster – Oval pattern Parkett – Parquet Päßler-Hacken – Päßler Hooks Päßler-Wellen – Päßler Waves Plastische-Kette – Plastic Chain (in the sense if three-dimensional)Radmuster (mit N oder Z) – Wheel Pattern (with Ns or Zs)Rauten – Diamonds or Diamond Lattice Rautenmuster – Diamond Pattern Reichsdruckerei-Wellenlinien – Reichsdruckerei Wavy Lines Rheinische Wellen – Rhenish Waves Ringelgitter – Circles on a Lattice / Circle Lattice Ringellinien – Circles on Lines Schlangenlinien oder Wellen – Wavy lines or waves Schippen – Shovels don't really look like thatSchuppen – Scales Sechseckflechtwerk – Hexagonal Weave Sechzehnerrauten – Sixteen diamonds 16 in 1 diamondSeesternmuster – Starfish Pattern Sonntagsfliesen – Sunday Tiles Spindel – Spindle Spitzwaben – Pointed Honeycomb Stachelquadrate – Spiked Squares S-S-Muster – S-S Pattern or how it looks S in Oval Pattern on Lattice Sternenpost – Star Mail no idea what that references, maybe Four Star Pattern Stern-Sechseck-Muster – Star Hexagon Pattern Streifen und Wellenbänder – Stripes and Wavy Bands Stumpfwaben – Stump Honeycombs Sutter-S-Muster – Sutter S Pattern Altes Stuttgarter Muster – Old Stuttgart Pattern Thyssen-Muster – Thyssen Pattern Tropfen – Drops UB-Muster – UB Pattern Verschlungene Kreise – Interlaced Circles Verschlungene Quadrate – Interlaced Squares Waffelmuster – Waffle pattern doesn't really look waffle- likeWellenbündel – Wave Bundles Wellengitter – Wave Lattice Wolken – Clouds Zickzackband – Zigzag Band Zickzacklinien – Zigzag Lines or Zickzack Lattice Z-Muster – Z-pattern Altes Münchner Muster – Old Munich pattern
muzz0000
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Posted: 16 Eyl 2024, 19:30
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Hi
Thankyou for all your endeavours I think this list will be what I need
Idolenz
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Posted: 16 Eyl 2024, 20:00
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Added the ones from the other book.
muzz0000
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Posted: 17 Eyl 2024, 06:27
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Idolenz
Added the ones from the other book.
Hi that is exactly what i am looking for- thankyou for your help
I will leave list open so others can add to it,if they like
Best regards Murray
muzz0000
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Posted: 18 Eyl 2024, 07:13
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opps Does anyone know if there will be a copyright on these translation lists
Idolenz
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Posted: 18 Eyl 2024, 07:24
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Not on the text but obviously on the pictures.
Alyattes
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Posted: 24 Eyl 2024, 11:36
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Hi guys, here are the patterns and names matched - from Grabowski Volume 1
(Edit: I see someone did that already - for some reason I didn't see text on his pictures! :) )
"Perfection can be achieved only through devotion" - Chanakya Nitishastra 8.10
"And fortune learnt to know her favorite" - Tacitus Agricola 13
Idolenz
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Posted: 26 Eyl 2024, 00:34
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