Anyone familiar with Philip IV coinage for Spanish Netherlands? [solved]

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Alright, I have got something, that is a bit peculiar and pretty environmentally damaged to put it mildly. I took some time to figure it out what it is myself, but looks like numista simply does not list that coin in its catalog. 

 

Based of the reverse with something that resembles coat of arms of Philip IV the great (I even half see the collar of the Golden Fleece), I would think that it is a hammered copper coin of something between 1621-1665 minted (or rather hammered) for coinage of Spanish Netherlands. The interesting part if that I see a face facing right on the obverse, and that is quite unusual of copper coins of the supposed time period.

 

Alas, but letterings are hard to read, but they don't really much to `PHIL · IIII · D · G · HISP · ET · INDIAR · REX ·` I would expect to see there. My best guess so far is that's an ancient counterfeit coin made to look like a 2 sovereigns coin. 

 

And yes, I know the coin condition is not top pop, hence this identification exercise is not a trivial one.  

 

Weight: 3.44

Diameter: 23mm

Technique: Hammered

Shape: Round (Irregular)

Composition: Copper

In order to complicate things, Numista puts Spanish Netherlands in Belgian States. 

Anyway, may be this coin:

N#126434

Referee of south atlantic islands

Frenchlover

In order to complicate things, Numista puts Spanish Netherlands in Belgian States. 

Anyway, may be this coin:

N#126434

 

Thanks for looking. It is an interesting guess, but I don't think that matches the reverse - e.g. it has “clearly” visible small Portuguese coat or arms  in the top center, hence that can't be Philip II.

 

 

 

Also, at some point I was thinking that it is 16 Maravedis - Philip IV
1661-1664 (N#6086). But it also does not match it 100%.

When you can't find any match, the last chance is to look to pirate states :)

may be: https:duiten. nl / Graafschap Reckheim

Or you may contact duiten.nl by mail.

Referee of south atlantic islands

That is interesting indeed, thanks for the pointer!

To me this is a bust of Philip II.  

In Spanish Netherlands, the Portugal shield was used on the coat of arms from 1586 -1598. 

The combination of bareheaded bust right and the coat of arms with Portugal shield can be found on some silver coins like this: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6060050

 

But i've not found your coin   

Thank you. It does look very similar to the one I have! Somehow, I was too much concentrating on Phillip IV and Charles II to look at the coins of the earlier periods. I will continue the research and will try to decipher the lettering to have more data points available going forward. 

Turned out to be that is not a coin, but a copper jeton. According to Dugniolle catalog, that is either Dugn #3318, Dugn #3319 or Dugn #3320 (due to the lack of identifying details it is hard to tell which one is which).

Status changed to Solved (tuatan, 30 Ekim 2024, 22:59)

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