Duplicate Bosnian banknote listings [solved]

Hello,

Several Bosnian local banknotes have duplicate pages under exonumia.

The banknote N#297182 and the exonumia N#383103 are the same banknote. The banknote N#336255 and the exonumia N#424904 are also the same banknote.

Thanks!

@RubbyOriginal @mikimaus I feel that the listings under Banknotes should be removed and members moved over to the Exonumia entries instead.

Hi

This one N#297182 should be moved to Exonumia. As far as I know, this coupon was used for warm meals. Still both coupons are different in the type of number printed. I will move the note to Exonumia.

As it is still in "Banknotes" section, I am unable to check history of changes. May have landed as note after this lately catalogue changes.

Thanks!

In the Janković-Zidar catalogue, all of these are under notgeld - ie they were used as money. I think the duplicate pages (the ones under exonumia) should be deleted

I disagree. Exonumia doesn't mean it is not considered money it's just another name for something that is not officially issued by a country's Central Bank or has legal tender status. 

The Bristol Pound for example is used as money but it's not considered a banknote on Numista. There will be plenty of other examples. 

‘Vouchers’ like the ones we're talking about should not be included under the Banknotes banner as this would make Numista categories unclear.

Hi

For now I am not approving or disapproving  with RubbyOriginal's comment. I am unfamiliar with Janković-Zidar Catalogue (at the moment) and thank you RubbyOriginal for info on this reference. As it is issued as a printed book(let), there probably is more merit to it, unlike some page I found on the internet, which says this voucher or coupon is a meal coupon. I would like to find a better secondary reference on the internet and then make an appropriate move. You never know, it might had multiple use, as far as I am concerned (also as a “unofficial” currency and as a coupon at specific places). RubbyOriginal, you can also make an change request by yourself and move all similar pieces to Notes database. 

RubbyOriginal, I would also kindly ask you to add Janković-Zidar Catalogue as a reference to Numista.

Best regards!

australiarno

I disagree. Exonumia doesn't mean it is not considered money it's just another name for something that is not officially issued by a country's Central Bank or has legal tender status. 

The Bristol Pound for example is used as money but it's not considered a banknote on Numista. There will be plenty of other examples. 

‘Vouchers’ like the ones we're talking about should not be included under the Banknotes banner as this would make Numista categories unclear.

According to the aformentioned catalogue, the National bank of Bosnia and Herzegovina gave a permission to various municipalities to issue notgeld (I think that's the best term to describe these notes) in DEM. Does that count as having legal tender status? Also, as I've said, these are more like notgeld to me (they were issued because of a shortage of small denominations of DEM), which would place them under banknotes. I don't know if you (and others) agree with this classification.

mikimaus

Hi

For now I am not approving or disapproving  with RubbyOriginal's comment. I am unfamiliar with Janković-Zidar Catalogue (at the moment) and thank you RubbyOriginal for info on this reference. As it is issued as a printed book(let), there probably is more merit to it, unlike some page I found on the internet, which says this voucher or coupon is a meal coupon. I would like to find a better secondary reference on the internet and then make an appropriate move. You never know, it might had multiple use, as far as I am concerned (also as a “unofficial” currency and as a coupon at specific places). RubbyOriginal, you can also make an change request by yourself and move all similar pieces to Notes database. 

RubbyOriginal, I would also kindly ask you to add Janković-Zidar Catalogue as a reference to Numista.

Best regards!

It was added by someone earlier

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/catalogue.php?id=2099

RubbyOriginal

australiarno

I disagree. Exonumia doesn't mean it is not considered money it's just another name for something that is not officially issued by a country's Central Bank or has legal tender status. 

The Bristol Pound for example is used as money but it's not considered a banknote on Numista. There will be plenty of other examples. 

‘Vouchers’ like the ones we're talking about should not be included under the Banknotes banner as this would make Numista categories unclear.

According to the aformentioned catalogue, the National bank of Bosnia and Herzegovina gave a permission to various municipalities to issue notgeld (I think that's the best term to describe these notes) in DEM. Does that count as having legal tender status? Also, as I've said, these are more like notgeld to me (they were issued because of a shortage of small denominations of DEM), which would place them under banknotes. I don't know if you (and others) agree with this classification.

I stand corrected. Thank you for sharing the insight of the NBBiH providing permission to other banks to issue notgeld. In this case, as the notgeld issues are valued in DEM, DEM needs to be added as a currency to BiH so these issues can be added under that currency. Not alongside the convertible mark banknotes as is the case at the moment.

Moved to Notes:

N#429644

N#383106

N#383105

N#424905

N#426070

These two also moved to notes, intentionally for now:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note424904.html

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note383103.html

=> these two pieces have distinct other number types, so should be added as different variants.

All pieces updated with Ruling authority and Issuing entity.

Regarding all these coupons/notes, they carry a DEM currency. I would ask for more clarification, whether this is (as I understand) abbreviation for Deutsche Mark and that Bosnian Mark, (to be named as Konvertibilna Marka) was interpreted as one of the same (along with value)?

LP.