5 Pesetas 1871, fake?

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hagglund
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 19:03 #
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Okay so I kinda rush bid on a coin a moment ago and I'm starting to think that was a mistake.
I'll attach pictures and you guys can tell me what you think.
apuking Catalogue referee
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 19:05 #
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hmm to me it looks to be on the fake side, whats the weight?
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hagglund
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 19:07 #
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I can't say, I only just bid on it. Haven't paid yet either and I won't if it is fake.
apuking Catalogue referee
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 19:19 #
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hmm just send him a message saying that you want the exact weight of the coin as you think that the coin might be a forgery.
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hagglund
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 19:31 #
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It seems he was at the same time selling a countermarked coin:


Which really makes me wonder, is this Numista entry a fake?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces27874.html
Notice how the reported diameter of 38mm differs from the regular 5 peseta 1871 of 37mm.
apuking Catalogue referee
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 19:38 #
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The 1871 pesetas are often faked, so not sure, but could be a fake too. I think I saw the counterstamped 1871 sold as fake several times on eBay.
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hagglund
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 19:42 #
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Haha I just found all the proof I need, the guy has also sold a 1869 5 peseta with a mintage of 100 valued at $7500 in VF!
kommodore
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 20:03 #
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It's definitely a fake, because of the jagged edge.
The edge is very sharp.
hagglund
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 21:07 #
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The seller is a 70 year old man with hundreds of positive and no negative reviews. He says he inherited the collection from his father... Imagine how much it sucked to be giving him the news all coins he's been selling are fake :-/
kommodore
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 21:08 #
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The inherited collection story again  :8D
hagglund
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 21:11 #
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Quote: kommodoreThe inherited collection story again  :8D
That's what I thought, until I verified the guy actually is 70 years old. That to me makes his story more credible.
kommodore
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 21:12 #
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Anyone pretty nice faked coin.
Except from the 2nd picture edge I wouldn't believe it was a fake.
KennyG
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 21:26 #
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Reminds me of ordinary Chinese dollar fakes.

I certainly wouldn't pay for the "silver" pesetas, if I were you.
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hagglund
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Posted: 10 Şub 2013, 21:31 #
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Quote: SmartOneKgReminds me of ordinary Chinese dollar fakes.

I certainly wouldn't pay for the "silver" pesetas, if I were you.
Of course not, and if he decides to give me negative feedback for it I still have the law on my side.
KennyG
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Posted: 11 Şub 2013, 00:55 #
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Quote: hagglund...if he decides to give me negative feedback for it I still have the law on my side.
You're in luck. Sellers can't give negative reviews.
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hagglund
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Posted: 11 Şub 2013, 08:54 #
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They can't? That doesn't seem right... however I didn't buy the coin on the actual eBay but on the Swedish somewhat different site, where sellers and buyers are equal in their ability to give reviews.
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Posted: 12 Şub 2013, 00:16 #
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The 5 pesetas Amadeo I are common coins. The value is the bullion value with this grade, 17€. Surely this is an authentic coin.

Generally only the coin with 73 in the right star is found counterfeit.
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apuking Catalogue referee
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Posted: 12 Şub 2013, 00:32 #
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Hmm - I think what's common with this coin are fakes. The 5 pesetas of Alfonso XII is more common and with the value it depends on the grade - a nice AU one isn´t that cheap
http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/WorldCoinPrices.aspx?category=8914&worldcoinid=32869
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