Merge and move the Issuers [solved]

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This message aims at: requesting the creation or the modification of an issuer in the catalogue

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Please merge these  "Issuers" under the one in “Fantasy places” category.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/chechen_republic_of_ichkeria-1.html

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/chechnya-1.html

 

You can see from the design that these tokens were made in one factory (possibly Chinese), there is no reasons to put one of them under Russia.

 

Also I have to ask again to remove ISIS from Modern states with limited recognition to the same “Fantasy places” category. It doesn't have any limited recognition unless Numista wants to have a political statement about it.

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Status changed to Started (Compendium, 6 Kas 2024, 16:30)

I did first part of the ticket and let @Xavier answer second one

I moved the issuer ‘Islamic State of Iraq and Syria’ into the fantasy group.

 

The idea behind the group ‘Modern states with limited recognition’ is that they are disputed entities. But I agree that it's not appropriate to call it a state or to say that it had some international recognition. The fantasy group is not the right place either in my opinion, but it's still better.

 

By the way, I see that all the ISIS coins are categorized as “Fantasy coins › Fantasy coins”. I remember reading that some of them circulated. We should probably review these coins.

@Xavier I agree that Fantasy places is not correct definition for such state. This is a discussion in separate thread. Possibly we may expand Micronations to something like “Micronations and quasi-state entities” and put ISIS there. Just because it was not micro and was not nation, but issued gold coins that aren't fantasy….

 

@Compendium would your changes be implemented in some kind of the next update of the catalogue? I don't see any changes now…

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I think I did correctly attach them to Fantasy section

@Xavier could you check what happens ?

I believe there was a misunderstanding.
Compendium indeed moved the issuer: they are now both in the group “Fantasy issuers”. 
But part of Grinya's request was also to merge the issuer. This has not been done yet.

@Grinya, are you sure they should be merged?
It seems that Chechnya usually refers to the Chechen Republic, not necessarily to the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria.

@Xavier it seemed to be a problem with a cash on my phone. Now I see that everything is correct.

 

Regarding your second question: both sections contains items that were issued most probably by Chinese mint for commercial reasons in the time when Chechen Republic of Ichkeria was de-facto non-existed. I don't  see any difference between them taking into account that issue of such coins is some kind of demonstration of quasi-independence of these places, therefore you can't understand which pretended Issuer “minted” them.

 

E.g. we can see that this item N#87062 is in the Chechnya section while it was definetly issued as a product of Chechen Republic of Ichkeria and contains a portrait of Dzhokhar Dudayev who was responsible for the serie of terroristic acts and other crimes against humanity. 

 

So' I think for the avoidance of doubts these issuers shall be merged. Also I'm sure that at least for some of them there shall be a notice as it was done for ISIS stuff:

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Thanks for the explanation. I merged both issuers.

Status changed to Done (Xavier, 9 Kas 2024, 04:37)

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