Brief introduction: Riograndense Republic (also known as Piratini Republic, named after one of its capitals) was a breakaway state that declared independence from Brazil in 1836. It existed until 1845, when its leaders signed the Treaty of Ponche Verde.
Flag used by the republic:
Besides the essai, we can find a countermark used on Brazilian coins being mentioned in literature and I have seen fantasy banknotes as well.
I have heard about República Rio-Grandense, and very few about coinage of this issuer (in fact, I had not notice of they existed).
According to Pick (Unusual World Coins, 6th. edition, page 70), they never issued minted coins, only countermarked pieces; about the sample given, NGC certified, I am in great doubt if it is a pattern or just a fantasy; as long as I know, patterns never are plated or bonded (it is marked as “silvered” and “tooled”).
Please see the note at Pick, on said page:
At Numista I don't find any item that match this issuer, only items that mention Piratini are two notes from 1934 (year before of the revolt), and show image of Piratini Palace (seat of executive branch of Rio Grande do Sul state; so it is not directly related to the revolt.
I doubt it is worth to add this issuer, unless we find other source showing coins or notes, or we agree countermarked coins (that may be forgeries or fantasies, as noted by Pick), need to have a separate issuer from Brazil.
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I'm aware that most of coins with this Republic's name are counterfeits, but the fact that it was certified by NGC is the main motivation to create this request.
About banknotes, they are not related to Riograndense Republic, but local banknotes issued by the Brazilian federal unit. You found it because Piratini Palace (working place of state governor) is shown in its reverse.
As Daniel mentioned, the Piratini countermarks was used in some copper and bronze issues in the mid-19th century for circulation in the regions occupied by the revolutionary separatist movement in Rio Grande do Sul. At that time, many coins were stamped unofficially, resulting in counterfeits. It is believed that, today, there are even more coins with false stamps than real ones. A brief article on the subject can be found at this link (in Portuguese).
This NGC link posted here on the forum shows a piece that, at first glance, does not even seem to be a coin. It could be a medal or something of the sort. There is no explicit monetary value assigned (it seems to me a date on the obverse).
In short, according to the literature, in the brief period that the Farroupilha Revolution existed, only countermarks were used; and this is not a motivation for creating a new issuer or sub-issuer. For the purposes of registering this NGC piece, it could be well placed in Brazil's exonumia.
Regards,
Vladimir.
Vladimir
Catalogue Administrator and Banknote Master Referee.
Taking into account that the issuer is much probably not going to be created, I requested addition of this specimen to Brazil. I'm adding link to this message so this thread gonna appears when someone search for it.
As Daniel mentioned, the Piratini countermarks was used in some copper and bronze issues in the mid-19th century for circulation in the regions occupied by the revolutionary separatist movement in Rio Grande do Sul. At that time, many coins were stamped unofficially, resulting in counterfeits. It is believed that, today, there are even more coins with false stamps than real ones. A brief article on the subject can be found at this link (in Portuguese).
This NGC link posted here on the forum shows a piece that, at first glance, does not even seem to be a coin. It could be a medal or something of the sort. There is no explicit monetary value assigned (it seems to me a date on the obverse).
In short, according to the literature, in the brief period that the Farroupilha Revolution existed, only countermarks were used; and this is not a motivation for creating a new issuer or sub-issuer. For the purposes of registering this NGC piece, it could be well placed in Brazil's exonumia.
Regards,
Vladimir.
Greetings, excuse me, do you know anything about the coins of the State of Para? I don't know anything about that other than the information that appears in Krause, which is very brief.
Greetings, excuse me, do you know anything about the coins of the State of Para? I don't know anything about that other than the information that appears in Krause, which is very brief.
Hello, Jesús.
On this website (in Portuguese), you can find more precise information about the countermarks of Pará. The best bibliographical reference we have here in Brazil is the Bentes Catalog.
If you need anything else, my friend @ramgu2005 should be able to help you with something. =)
Greetings,
Vladimir.
Vladimir
Catalogue Administrator and Banknote Master Referee.
Hello, I would like to reopen this topic as it seems there were a couple of misinterpretations regarding the Krause texts. While the section highlighted by adanieluy seems to imply that the countermarks are fake, it can be seen in the previous sentence that there does exist a real countermark. The ones listed in Krause's Unusual World Coins book specifically are fake, and that's what this highlighted sentence is pointing out, but if we go to Krause's Standard Catalog, we can see that coins with the real countermark are listed. The style of this mark is exactly as described in the unusual world coins book: a slightly curved sword and the lack of any sort of text. The issuer should definitely exist, and have the coins listed specifically in the Standard Catalog as part of it. Unless I am misinterpreting, I see some people stating a new issuer should not be added because only countermarked coins were issued officially. There are already issuers that consist of entirely countermarked coins so this should not be a limitation in creating a new one.
On the topic of the original piece that started this discussion, it really does seem to be some sort of medal, maybe a fantasy issued later, or a contemporaneous issue. However, it is interesting to note that the Unusual World Coins book seems to list it as a coin with the denomination of “1 Peso,” which is strange considering Brazil never used this sort of denomination, further pushing it into fantasy territory. The key detail, however, is that the Unusual World Coins book specifically identifies whether a piece is fantasy or not, which it does not do for this piece, the implication being that it may be some sort of coin or at least something that was issued officially, either with a face value or not. More research on these pieces should be done, however, before it's decided how it should be classified.
I also wanted to add on, the only other pieces under the Brazil section in the Unusual World Coins book that are not explicitly stated to be Fantasy, Bullion, or any other kind that would make them non-coins are the Juliana Republic countermarks. As with the previous piece, the lack of any text saying that these stamps are fantasy is not present, implying that these stamps are official Juliana Republic stamps. Curiously, however, and unlike the Piratini countermarks, these were not added to the Standard Catalog of World Coins, implying something else. I think these pieces should also be looked at to determine if these are coins or not.
