New issuer, issuing entity, and currency needed for Caribbean Guilder [solved]

Apologies for requesting this all in the same post, but I figured it would be easier to include all of these requests together.

New banknotes and eventually coins are being issued to replace the Netherlands Antilles Guilder. The banknotes are being replaced at the end of March. In order to add them to the catalog, we need a new issuer, issuing entity, and currency.

Issuer: Curaçao and Sint Maarten

Issuing entity: Central Bank of Curaçao and Sint Maarten (Centrale Bank van Curaçao en Sint Maarten)

Currency: Caribbean Guilder

Denominations: 10, 20, 50, 100, 200

https://smn-news.com/index.php/st-maarten-st-martin-news/45877-inspired-by-the-vibrant-underwater-world-of-curacao-and-sint-maarten.html
 

https://www.caribbean-guilder.com
 

From the looks of it, it's going to be a similar deal to the Euro.

The banknotes are shared among the different islands (like the Eurozone), but the coins are going to look different.

So when they do add these to the catalogue they might want to create a new Issuing Entity for the banknotes.

@Jarcek @vladthiengo 

Hello Jarcek and Vladimir, 

I would normally let this thread be addressed naturally, but as notes are starting to be added to the catalog, and the two of you are the ones that most frequently review my proposals, I was hoping to have a discussion on possible alterations now so we don't have to clean up things later.

N#464105

In regards to the new notes from the Central Bank of Curaçao and Sint Maarten, there are a few suggestions I have:

1. While the coins that will be issued by the bank are unique to either Curaçao or Sint Maarten, the notes are not, so rather then having the notes listed under the Issuer for Curaçao, I think we need a new issuer named “Curaçao and Sint Maarten”, similar to how the notes for the East Carribbean Dollar are list under a “special” unified issuing entity rather then one of the countries that use the currency.

2. I think we need a new currency, as the currency is currently listed as the Curaçao Gulden. But in reality, these notes utilize the new Caribbean Guilder, which is a new currency established for these notes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_guilder

3. Lastly, and probably the least consequential, is adding the current Dutch monarch present in the catalog (Willem-Alexander) as an option for the ruling authority so that can be set.

I am curious of your thoughts on these. I would be more then happy to do the page updates myself if/when any of the above suggestions are approved. I will also be submitting the signatures to add for these notes soon as well to further update the listings.

Cheers,

Tony

Hi, Tony.

I totally agree with you. These notes should not be in Curaçao alone. I ended up accepting the inclusion of the 10 Gulden to see how things would work out.

But I think like you: a new issuer for the notes should be created, since Curaçao and San Martin will share the issuance of notes (somewhat different from what will happen with coins). @Jarcek, I think Tony's request is pertinent and deserves attention.

As for the new requests, I will wait to see what will be done.

Regards,

Vladimir.

It is now set up a waiting for first banknote! :)

Thanks, @Jarcek!

This is: N#464105. I requested a change of issuer.

Two things...
1. William Alexander has been the ruler of the Netherlands (and other territories) since 2013 and there has been no change in the territory. They just decided to share their own currency =)

2. Should the currency be called the Caribbean Gulden or Caribbean Guilder? I think it should be Gulden, but maybe there is some rule to be followed.

Thanks again!

Vladimir

Thanks as well @Jarcek 

@vladthiengo As far as I am aware Guilder is the English version of the Dutch name Gulden. Looking at other entries in the catalog this should probably be changed to Caribbean Gulden as all of the other coins/notes I see in the catalog use the name “Gulden”

I also noticed the the ruling authority for William Alexander starts at the year 2025 rather then 2013 when his actual reign started. Should this be updated in order to keep everything consistent?

I also created a separate post to add the 2 signatures for the issuing bank for these notes if we want to knock that out as well and be all updated for when the remaining notes are added.

@Jarcek @vladthiengo One other thing to consider is to list the newly created issuer under Netherlands rather then Netherlands Antilles, as the Netherlands Antilles ceased to exist in 2010. Should be similar set up in the catalog as Aruba?

N#209027

I set the date deliberately to 2025 as the entity of these two islands is something that started only now. It is somehow questionable though.

Hello everyone! =)

As for the name of the monetary unit, it is important to follow the standard adopted at the time. ok

About the ruler, I think that William has been the sovereign of the Netherlands and all the territories belonging to it since 2013. Curaçao and San Martin have been Dutch territories for a long time (being part of the former Antilles); therefore, I think the start date should be 2013. But if 2025 is a matter of Numista's standard due to the new issuer, that would be another issue. If I could choose, I think 2013 would be more appropriate. =)

And about where to place the issuer, I agree with ajbbarbados. I think it could be like Aruba, since the territory of Curaçao or San Martin no longer belongs to the Netherlands Antilles, being territories belonging to the Kingdom of the Netherlands (Curaçao in its entirety; and San Martin, part of it). @Jarcek, do you think it would be feasible to move to the Netherlands instead of the Antilles?

Regards, Vladimir

Hello again @Jarcek and @vladthiengo 

Just got back from a 3 week vacation and wanted to check in on the changes proposed. Wondering if there has been further consideration to changing the currency of these notes/coins from Guilder to Gulden to match the note text and other previous notes from the Netherlands Antilles in the catalog.

Also wondering if additional consideration has been given to updating the ruling authority for William Alexander, especially as the coins have been added to the catalog. The notes list William Alexanders reign as starting in 2025, but the coins list the years as 2013 to present (his actual reign), so the notes should probably updated to match to keep everything consistent.

Cheers,

Tony