Series get duplicated [solved]

Starting to see duplicated series when trying to move items …

yesterday tried to add two items to an existing series, but a new series got created (within the same issuer!):

4 medals: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?r=Le+monde+animal+menac%C3%A9&st=all&cat=y&im1=&im2=&ru=&ie=&ca=3&no=&v=&a=&dg=&i=&b=&m=&f=&t=&t2=&w=&mt=&u=&g=&c=&wi=&sw=

original series: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=4557

new, wrongly created series with same name: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10089

similar issue with a bunch of medals in series “European Currencies”

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?r=European+currencies&st=149&cat=y&im1=&im2=&ru=&ie=&ca=3&no=&v=&a=&dg=&i=&b=&m=&f=&t=&t2=&w=&mt=&u=&g=&c=&wi=&sw=

I think at least 5 series with same name … but different pages

main: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=3291

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9981

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9967

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9966

…
very hard to find the correct series when editing a page !

 I noticed [and reported] it last week, and still waiting for a fix. 

All the newer ones were created in error by the system, 

and all should be in that 22 item section. 

 It was not even as if it were a typing mistake - 

the first Series name was copied then pasted. 

 Every time I intended to add to the existing series, 

an annoying new page was created instead. 

 I already asked for those series to be merged, 

and await a response. 

 Admittedly it only seems an error with just this series, 

as since then I have moved others to an original series, 

and they all got moved correctly. 

 My summary: 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?se=3291&p=1 

 That is the series with 22 items already in - 

and into which all these below were expected to be moved in to. 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9966 [2 items] 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9967 [2 items] 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9980 [1 item] 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10000 [0 items] 

 That last link did have 1 item in, I think - 

but now no idea where it went. The original series still has 22 items 

in from way back, so it has not been moved / merged there. 

 So - perhaps one day the 22 will become 27 with 1 missing. 

 Perhaps … it may be to do with an Issuer appearing now 

at the top of those extra links. The original page is made up 

of 14 countries already. The links to be moved are headed > 

Spain / Switzerland / Estonia / [France] = 2 + 2 + 1 + 0 

ZacUK

 My summary: 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?se=3291&p=1 

 That is the series with 22 items already in - 

and into which all these below were expected to be moved in to. 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9966 [2 items] 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9967 [2 items] 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9980 [1 item] 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10000 [0 items] 

 That last link did have 1 item in, I think - 

but now no idea where it went. The original series still has 22 items 

in from way back, so it has not been moved / merged there. 

 So - perhaps one day the 22 will become 27 with 1 missing. 

I think I moved the 10000 one to this page https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9981

 Thanks! I wondered if it was 1 or 2 items on that page. 

So 1 it was. Are you able to delete that now empty page? 

And maybe merge all those listed above - 

or maybe someone else can. 

I reported originally on 23 March. 

 Thanks :) 

I think you had the problem that this suggestion tries to solve: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic158692.html

Hello,

We made a fix to avoid creating a new series with the same name and for the same issuer instead of adding to the existing series.

However, the issue still exists for series applicable to multiple issuers. The first time a series is created for a coin, it is set to be applicable only to the issuer of that coin. If you wish to specify the same series for a coin from a different issuer, it won't be showing in the selector of series, so it will be created again for that different issuer.

The reason we separate series per issuer is that different series may have the same name across different (for example “1999 series” or “Lunar series”).

So, for series applicable to multiple issuers, it will still be up to admins to merge duplicates when reviewing the newly-created series.

 Thanks. I see those 22 items in that original series are now 28 so 

they got merged, and also then those pages they were moved from 

no longer exist. What if … tomorrow I find on here 1 more coin to 

move to that 28 coin series? What would happen if I attempted to move it - 

would a new unnecessary series be created, or is it fixed now so 

that it gets moved correctly? Just asking. 

 Two suggestions. When a new series is created, add a tickbox to 

ask if it is only to be created for one or multiple countries. 

Secondly alongside or below the box on the modify page, 

add another box to ask not for series name but a series number 

[example below just type 4904 in the new box]. That second idea 

would have stopped the above 22/28 items situation hopefully. 

 As you know the FAO of United Nations is worldwide, so any tokens or coins 

from them could have multiple counties, as mentioned earlier. This example 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?se=4904&p=1 

 is 5 items, all different countries. Does your reply above say adding to that would 

now create a new series - or do you say it could [since some recent date] no 

longer be creatable as there are multiple countries? Thanks 

 Though this topic is ‘Solved’ can I ask whomever kindly merged 

those series mentioned earlier [thanks] to have a go at adding to 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=1841 

 which has 21 items and a lovely 19 issuers [yes 19] which since 

then someone has tried to add 1 item to it 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=9175 

 but yet again it got its own page. Still not sure how in the past the

 system did allowed 19 issuers - then suddenly increasing it 

to 20 issuers stopped the way a series was added to. 

 When and why was it prevented? As above, just 

entering 1841 in a box would have told the system where to add it. Thanks 

 Lastly for today … I did find one more 

N#190102 

that was in a different [but similarly named] series, 

that would need adding to that now 28 item series. 

 I will have a go tomorrow and see the result - 

just now I removed the old series name in readiness. 

ZacUK

What would happen if I attempted to move it - 

would a new unnecessary series be created, or is it fixed now so that it gets moved correctly?

It depends whether the coin is from an issuer that is applicable for the series. If it's a new issuer for that series, a new series will initially be created and merged later by admins. If the series is already set for that issuers, the series will be reused.

 

ZacUKDoes your reply above say adding to that would 

now create a new series - or do you say it could [since some recent date] no 

longer be creatable as there are multiple countries? Thanks 

The recent date you mention is when we changed from free text (series didn't even exist in the database; they were clickable and lead to search for other items with the same series name from the same issuer) to structured series, identified by a number.
This change allowed having series applicable to multiple countries.
The series with multiple countries that you see now were either created during the automatic migration from free text or were set by the admins.

 

ZacUK

 Lastly for today … I did find one more 

N#190102 

that was in a different [but similarly named] series, 

that would need adding to that now 28 item series. 

 I will have a go tomorrow and see the result - 

just now I removed the old series name in readiness. 

The series https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=3291 already has Estonia as an applicable issuer. You should be able to assign an Estonian medal to it without creating a duplicate.

 

 Thanks :) 

Xavier

 

The series https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=3291 already has Estonia as an applicable issuer. You should be able to assign an Estonian medal to it without creating a duplicate. 
 

 Correct! Just now added a series to N#190102, and the 29 items became 30 in that series. Thanks 

Hi @Xavier , I created a new series in three coins and was created three times
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10169

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10170

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10171

I did this:

1. Open the three pages in edition mode.
2. Write the series name in the three pages.
3. Save the three pages.

The series was created when the 1st page was saved. According https://en.numista.com/forum/topic159104.html#p1238849 when the 2nd and 3rd pages were saved, the system should have detected the new series created, but it did not.

I always create the series in the first page, save it, and then add the new series to the other pages. But in this time I wanted to test the changes.

I merged them in the meantime.

Jarcek

I merged them in the meantime.

Thanks @Jarcek. But something strange happened. The three coins has the same series https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?se=10169&p=1 in their pages, but the series page https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10169 has only the image of one coin (the coin where I created the series).

I do not want to downplay possible bug, but out of experience, it might just need nightly refresh. If all parts of the website were updated instantly, it would be too much of a strain on resources.

I confirm it's a refresh issue. Some admin actions, including this one, don't trigger a full search reindexing. It should appear correctly tomorrow.

Ok.

Edit: Now this is updated.

davidhs

Hi @Xavier , I created a new series in three coins and was created three times
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10169

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10170

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10171

 

I did this:

1. Open the three pages in edition mode.
2. Write the series name in the three pages.
3. Save the three pages.

 

The series was created when the 1st page was saved. According https://en.numista.com/forum/topic159104.html#p1238849 when the 2nd and 3rd pages were saved, the system should have detected the new series created, but it did not.

 

I always create the series in the first page, save it, and then add the new series to the other pages. But in this time I wanted to test the changes.

We made a change. The system now detects series with the same name for the same country and reuses it instead of a created a new series.

Xavier

davidhs

Hi @Xavier , I created a new series in three coins and was created three times
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10169

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10170

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=10171

 

I did this:

1. Open the three pages in edition mode.
2. Write the series name in the three pages.
3. Save the three pages.

 

The series was created when the 1st page was saved. According https://en.numista.com/forum/topic159104.html#p1238849 when the 2nd and 3rd pages were saved, the system should have detected the new series created, but it did not.

 

I always create the series in the first page, save it, and then add the new series to the other pages. But in this time I wanted to test the changes.

We made a change. The system now detects series with the same name for the same country and reuses it instead of a created a new series.

I will test in my next series. 😈