Plea to save russian empire kopeck data.

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Frenchlover Catalogue referee
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Posted: 27 Nis 2025, 22:14 #
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Plea to recover the data from the site: http://silver-copeck.ru

It was a mine of information on all the kopecks of the Russian Empire. Unfortunately, it is closed. 

Some collectors were upset by this loss of valuable information and vacuumed the site data up. 

A Japanese site: http://www.a-saida.jp/ served as a relay for a while, then closed. 

There is only one copy left, made by an American: https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/index.html, which could close at any time.
Numista would be a stable haven for this information.
I know, copyright-wise, it's not that simple.

@Grinya @Xavier 

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Rajbarage
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Posted: 27 Nis 2025, 22:31 #
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I am in the process of saving them as pdfs. Do you want me to send it to you after I am done? 

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Frenchlover Catalogue referee
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Posted: 27 Nis 2025, 22:41 #
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I think the Numista site would be a better backup and the idea of ​​saving everything in pdf is a great idea !

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Rajbarage
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Posted: 27 Nis 2025, 23:00 #
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Frenchlover

I think the Numista site would be a better backup and the idea of ​​saving everything in pdf is a great idea !

Oh yes, I was just saying, if it goes down before we back it up, at least we still have the raw data. But yes, hoping it goes up on Numista. 

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tokul
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Posted: 28 Nis 2025, 07:10 #
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1. archive.org 

 

2. httrack can download entire site for you instead of frantically printing pdfs.

site needs index.html fix anyway for better navigation

 

Ivan IV to Peter I information is sold as a book.

Гришин И.В., Клещинов В.Н., Храменков А.В - Каталог русских монет от Ивана Грозного до Петра Великого. Второе издание. Москва, 2021 г.

 

Older stuff

Зайцев В.В. Русские монеты XIV−XVII вв. Очерки по нумизматике. Москва, 2016.

Гулецкий Д.В., Петрунин К.М. - Русские средневековые монеты, 2017

 

P.S. Russian empire did not issue any wire money. People issuing those silver and copper cuts held titles of dukes or czars at that time. Czar is king and not emperor.

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Posted: 28 Nis 2025, 08:53 #
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I vacuum it up.

Available (for a certain amount of time) on dropbox

The result and the links seem good for what I tested.

 

Only 19 link errors:

Information, Warnings and Errors reported for this mirror:
 

10:15:55 Error:  "Forbidden" (403) at link https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/brown37.gif (from https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/index.html)
10:30:27 Error:  "Forbidden" (403) at link https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/08P00A.jpg (from https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/209.html)
10:39:34 Error:  "Forbidden" (403) at link https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/8019/9999_1.gif (from https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/8019/01.html)
10:39:34 Error:  "Forbidden" (403) at link https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/8018/9999_1.gif (from https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/8018/01.html)
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10:39:34 Error:  "Forbidden" (403) at link https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/8005/V1.jpg (from https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/8005/1.html)
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10:39:34 Error:  "Forbidden" (403) at link https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/8015/brown37.gif (from https://kyiv2014.com/copeck/8015/005.html)

HTTrack Website Copier/3.49-2 mirror complete in 23 minutes 49 seconds : 3857 links scanned, 3837 files written (55824874 bytes overall) [57580473 bytes received at 40294 bytes/sec]
(19 errors, 0 warnings, 0 messages)

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Xavier Site admin
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Posted: 28 Nis 2025, 10:59 #
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Hello,
 

We made a similar project a few years ago: a copy of the now-closed website Monnaies et Variétés is hosted at https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com/

 

I would be happy to preserve the data of silver-copeck.ru in a similar manner, as long as the authors agree. I understand the content was created by В.Н. Клещинова and И.В. Гришина. Does anyone know a way to contact them?

tokul
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Posted: 28 Nis 2025, 11:05 #
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Site owner was С.В. Нефедов

https://web.archive.org/web/20220309005016/http://silver-copeck.ru/

 

Last Cyrillic link in bottom left got his email address.

 

“Если у Вас есть вопросы и предложения пишите.” = If you got questions or suggestions, write an email.

 

Гришин and Клещинов published several books for Ivan IV to Peter I period that he used.

 

brown37.gif is page backgroud.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220308160028/http://silver-copeck.ru/brown37.gif

9999_1.gif is also background. can be replaced with brown37.gif

 

08P00A.jpg - coin by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Dmitry_III

 

Source: https://www.monetnik.ru/obuchenie/numizmatika/monety-velikaya-smuta/

 

V1.jpg - image of golden variant by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_IV_of_Russia 

https://xn----8sbanh2blw.xn--p1ai/articles/money/vasily-shuisky.html

Xavier Site admin
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Posted: 28 Nis 2025, 11:22 #
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Thank you, I contacted them.

Frenchlover Catalogue referee
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Posted: 28 Nis 2025, 16:25 #
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tokul

…

brown37.gif is page backgroud.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220308160028/http://silver-copeck.ru/brown37.gif

…

How can I download this gif ? I'm clueless 🥲

That remind me of that episode when Jacques Chirac, our former French president asked on 1996  "The mouse? What do we call the mouse?"

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tokul
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Posted: 28 Nis 2025, 16:26 #
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I used cli download manager, but right click and save image should work too unless I got some restrictive archive.org javascripts nuked. It is 50x50 image with e4debc color, if color picker is correct. It is possible that stuff got some extra colors mixed in. Any white image will probably work too. Pages could use color in css instead of image.

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Posted: 28 Nis 2025, 16:57 #
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It's the brown background of the original website, my extraction doesn't get anybackground.

I haven't found a way to download this gif yet.

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tokul
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Posted: 28 Nis 2025, 17:37 #
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Frenchlover

It's the brown background of the original website, my extraction doesn't get anybackground.

I haven't found a way to download this gif yet.

https://filebin.net/xo8l2wmxizv63jxd

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Posted: 28 Nis 2025, 17:48 #
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tokul

Frenchlover

It's the brown background of the original website, my extraction doesn't get anybackground.

I haven't found a way to download this gif yet.

https://filebin.net/xo8l2wmxizv63jxd

Thanks

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Frenchlover Catalogue referee
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Posted: 28 Nis 2025, 23:23 #
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Thanks a lot tokul,

I've corrected all faults and updated the file on dropbox !

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redsmithstudios
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Posted: 29 Nis 2025, 22:58 #
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Great job guys. It’s so cool to see you preserving such knowledge, it’s one of the great things about this website!

Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!

Looking for pre 1783 coins
tokul
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Posted: 30 Nis 2025, 04:39 #
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that info is based on 2007 data at best. Pskov and Novgorod info is from books that are no longer restricted by copyright.

 

Later reference books changed numbering after 2016 discoveries.

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