Wrong date line in USSR P#246 [solved]

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P#246 from the USSR:

N#207967

was only issued with the date 1991 (see here). The similar note from 1992 is P#250:

N#207839

Please move all owners of the 1992 date in P#246 to P#250 and delete the year line.

 

The problem is likely that P#250, although produced in the name of the USSR, was issued after the USSR split up and so is currently listed under the Russian Federation. Could we consider moving it to the USSR as a “posthumous” issue?

Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.

I definitely agree with this. I don't have jurisdiction over the Russian Fed., but I do suggest that the title of P# 250 should be changed to “1000 Roubles (Posthumous USSR)” or “1000 Roubles (Overprint on 1000 Soviet roubles)”.

Voided_Username01

I definitely agree with this. I don't have jurisdiction over the Russian Fed., but I do suggest that the title of P# 250 should be changed to “1000 Roubles (Posthumous USSR)” or “1000 Roubles (Overprint on 1000 Soviet roubles)”.

Thank you, Daniel!

 

Can I transfer users from the 1992 line on N#207967 , since this issue is from P#250? Was there really no 1992 issue on P#246?

Vladimir
Catalogue Administrator and Banknote Master Referee.
Status changed to Started (vladthiengo, 17 May 2025, 21:54)

Of course!

 

Go right ahead and transfer the users. I do not know of any 1992 issue on P# 246.

Thanks to both of you for the information! It seems to me that everything is in its right place now.

 

Greetings,

Vladimir.

Vladimir
Catalogue Administrator and Banknote Master Referee.
Status changed to Done (vladthiengo, 18 May 2025, 01:50)

P#250 isn't an overprint on P#246. The USSR prepared new versions of the 50, 200, 500 and 1000 Rublei notes during 1991 (dated 1992) with the date moved to the reverse and an additional guilloche above the date. Despite the collapse of the USSR at the end of 1991, these notes entered circulation not only in Russia but in other ex-Soviet states that didn't yet have their own currency. On this basis, a move to the USSR is possible but, if we leave them in Russia, a coordinated set of comments should suffice.

Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Status changed to Started (vladthiengo, 18 May 2025, 12:14)

ceh2019

P#250 isn't an overprint on P#246. The USSR prepared new versions of the 50, 200, 500 and 1000 Rublei notes during 1991 (dated 1992) with the date moved to the reverse and an additional guilloche above the date. Despite the collapse of the USSR at the end of 1991, these notes entered circulation not only in Russia but in other ex-Soviet states that didn't yet have their own currency. On this basis, a move to the USSR is possible but, if we leave them in Russia, a coordinated set of comments should suffice.

Hello, Ceh!

Could you elaborate on the comments that could be inserted in the entries for this 1992 series? =)

Vladimir
Catalogue Administrator and Banknote Master Referee.

vladthiengo

Hello, Ceh!

Could you elaborate on the comments that could be inserted in the entries for this 1992 series? =)

How about this?

This note was prepared for issue by the Soviet Union before its collapse in December 1991. It was issued for circulation in Russia and other ex-Soviet states still using the ruble in 1992 and 1993.

Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.

ceh2019

This note was prepared for issue by the Soviet Union before its collapse in December 1991. It was issued for circulation in Russia and other ex-Soviet states still using the ruble in 1992 and 1993.

Ok! This is an excerpt that we can use in registrations.
Are there any additional sources of research for this information that you know of?

Vladimir
Catalogue Administrator and Banknote Master Referee.

This article from the IMF gives a pretty good account of the period.

Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.

Yes, very good! I have already added the information in the registration. Thank you very much! =)

Vladimir
Catalogue Administrator and Banknote Master Referee.
Status changed to Done (vladthiengo, 19 May 2025, 12:50)

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