Parma sesino 1799 missing date [solved]

Hello. I just got a sesino from 1799. The year is very clear, both in scan and in hand, and differs from the 1790 which has a different coat of arms. 

However, I could not find it in any reference, either in

https://numismatica-italiana.lamoneta.it/moneta/W-FERD/0

or even in 

https://www.panorama-numismatico.com/wp-content/uploads/VARIANTI-E-RARITA-DEI-SESINI-DI-FERDINANDO-DI-BORBONE-PER-PARMA.pdf

First, help us to help you. When you post about a coin please include a link to the Numista page.

N#41546 

Second, are you sure this is a coin and not a counterfeit? The page mentioned above says contemporary counterfeits exist for several listed years.

If you are convinced it is valid there are two options: 1) Click the Modify or add data on this page link on that page, enter the year, add your information in Sources, and submit the change for approval. 2) As the design is different, click the Add it yourself! link on any search page and create a new page for this coin. In  either case that starts a conversation with a referee.

If the 1799 coin has not been listed in the CNI, which tends to have the most exhaustive listing of dates and variants for Italian coins, then I doubt it exists.  Unfortunately, the link to the CNI on-line appears to be broken, so it's not easy to check.

This could be a counterfeit, or it could be another date like 1793 or 1795 (which match the coat of arms dividing letters D G) with the corrosion on the last digit making it look like a 9.  

Added:  I wonder if thee was a 1795 reverse die with an inverted 5, because that could also make sense (if there were, it would be findable in CNI).

Hi, since 1796 and 1797 exist and are conterfaits, although documentat by CNI and by Numista, the 1799 can also exist, either genuine ( but strangely not reported) or contemorary counterfait as well similar to 1796-7. 

I have acquired this one together with a number of coins from IT preunitary states and given the reputation of the seller, they are not modern fakes. 

Since the final 9 is clear, and a reverse 5 even less likely, how should we proceed? At least, since CNI lists other “counterfaits”, it should be noted similar to those ones?

Why are counterfeits listed in the main page at all. 

BEcause they are listed in the CNI?

Contemporary counterfeits have their own section in the catalog. They should not be included on the coin page.  Links to them in the Comments section is allowed (debatable).

This, on the other hand, should not be in the catalog at all. N#400385 as it is a modern forgery.

carpatic

BEcause they are listed in the CNI?

And in KM. https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/italian-states-parma-sesino-c-3-1784-1798-cuid-1147776-duid-1486061

If it's certain that ONLY counterfeits exist for those years, those year lines should be removed.  

If it was meant as “Counterfeits EXIST” that is different.

Some work for @cippirimerlo I guess to clear it up.

Hello. As I could not get a different opinion, I consider the coin to be a damaged 1795, so from my part, the topic can be closed.

@carpatic I added some examples, the coin you own could be 1793.

You can write Lorenzo Bellesia and ask his advice

@tdziemia Lorenzo Bellesia writes that 1796 and 1797 exist ONLY as counterfeits, can you remove them?

*** Come visto, i pochissimi esemplari noti sono falsi d’epoca da ritenersi comunque molto interessanti e rarissi- mi.

Thank you for checking this! 

The date lines are removed and a comment has been added on this.