Coins identification [solved]

Hello , I need some information about this coins lot.

Recently I have purchased for coins. They were minted in tin. I would like to register each coin in numista, but I don't know exactly where they are from.

I think they were minted in Bangka Island, but I don't sure . They have one face engraved, the other one is flat.

Creo que te puede resultar divertido intentar identificar estas curiosas monedas. De todas formas, si necesitas una orientación, quizá te pueda ayudar el revisor de Indonesia - Estados, @by.abay 

zegeri

Creo que te puede resultar divertido intentar identificar estas curiosas monedas. De todas formas, si necesitas una orientación, quizá te pueda ayudar el revisor de Indonesia - Estados, @by.abay 

Hola zegeri, 

Si es divertido e incluso entretenido. Te obliga a escudriñar en lugares diferentes a los que uno está acostumbrado. 

Estas monedas suponen un reto monumental ya que parecen no estar registradas, y lo poco que hay es muy escaso, de hecho he podido identificar una de las 5. En concreto la segunda; través de una subasta de la cual pude extraer datos.

Resultó ser de Bangka, el resto se parece en cuanto a  forma de acuñación, pero no estoy seguro. Imagino que por indonesia andará la cosa.

Gracias por la contesta , escribiré al compañero a ver si me puede arrojar algo de luz .

Saludos 

Have you tried looking the ones documented by Mitchiner & Yih https://www.orientalnumismaticsociety.org/archive/ONS_217.pdf or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Recherches_sur_les_monnaies_des_indig%C3%A8nes_de_l%27archipel_Indien_et_de_la_p%C3%A8ninsule_Malaie_-_Henricus_Christiaan_Millies_(1871).pdf Millies old catalogue?

by.abay

Have you tried looking the ones documented by Mitchiner & Yih https://www.orientalnumismaticsociety.org/archive/ONS_217.pdf or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Recherches_sur_les_monnaies_des_indig%C3%A8nes_de_l%27archipel_Indien_et_de_la_p%C3%A8ninsule_Malaie_-_Henricus_Christiaan_Millies_(1871).pdf Millies old catalogue?

Hi  by.abay , thanks for the documents I will have a look. 

Let's see!!!

by.abay

Have you tried looking the ones documented by Mitchiner & Yih https://www.orientalnumismaticsociety.org/archive/ONS_217.pdf or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Recherches_sur_les_monnaies_des_indig%C3%A8nes_de_l%27archipel_Indien_et_de_la_p%C3%A8ninsule_Malaie_-_Henricus_Christiaan_Millies_(1871).pdf Millies old catalogue?

Hi , i have been searching using the documents and the coins don't appear . It's going complicated to locate.  

Then the type is undocumented, which is not too surprising for tin coins from Bangka.

Try to look at Zeno as a last resort, which can be use as link in the coin's page. If you can't find it either, then just request the coin page with with added comment that it is not yet documented. 

At this moment I have the transcription of each coin with help. The letterings are the following:

新 號 瑞 原   (Xīn hào ruìyuán)

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中 仕  (Zhōng shì )

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大 和 号为 (Dà hé hào wèi)

by.abay

Then the type is undocumented, which is not too surprising for tin coins from Bangka.

 

Try to look at Zeno as a last resort, which can be use as link in the coin's page. If you can't find it either, then just request the coin page with with added comment that it is not yet documented. 

Great , Thank you very much @by.abay, I will notice you if I found them on Zeno.

Greetings

Hi @by.abay I have been searching the coins in Zeno and don't appears , so they are undocumented. 

One question, in numista page creator… I have to name (the title)only the coin without the face value? The value is unknown. Cash , Jokoh… don't know 

Thanks in advance 

I think the unit should just be “cash” like existing bangka coin: N#108066

Alright, thanks!!!

Greetings 

Hi @by.abay , what type of script is used here, in this coin?

Transcription

I have problems to transcript this group of Kangis for this tin coin: 

1rst 

2nd 

3rd 

I know that the last one is  号

that is in seal script style. The second character is 字. I'm afraid I don't recognize the modern equivalent of 1st and 3rd character. 3rd maybe 開? but not sure

by.abay

that is in seal script style. The second character is 字. I'm afraid I don't recognize the modern equivalent of 1st and 3rd character. 3rd maybe 開? but not sure

Thanks @by.abay , so it's a debased seal script, interesting.

I think the same about 3rd character, it's more approximated to the original. First one could be 東   , there are lots of characters, not easy as I see , so let's investigate. 

So at the moment we could have (東)開字号, as the possible transcription . 

I will write you if I have something new 

Greetings 

東 in seal script is 

So it's possible this evolution?

Hi @by.abay how I can write in seal  script in numista? Is there a tool for that ? 

thanks 

You just input the modern Chinese equivalent in the lettering field, then choose Chinese (seal) in the script field

by.abay

You just input the modern Chinese equivalent in the lettering field, then choose Chinese (seal) in the script field

Alright, thanks!!!

The page for the last tin coin will be ready today.

Greetings