Jammu and Kashmir [solved]

Hello @Xavier 

The land of Jammu and Kashmir is a disputed territory, as per the U.N resolutions. Adding it to a certain country on maps, stands as a clear violation of the United Nations. The Netherlands' stance on the issue is identical, where Numista's headquarters are based, so you're requested to make the appropriate adjustments to the Numista's map.

Regards,

This does not relate to creation or the modification of an issuer, it's rather the modification of the map which MUST NOT be put to a vote.

Regards,

The Indians are likely to vote against it, which is WHY it's a disputed territory. So, please follow the United Nations' Charter, instead!!!

Bonjour,

Numista traite la période jusque 1948 (avant donc le conflit indo-pakistanais.). Il s’agit ici de l’ancien Jammu and Kashmir et non le Jammu and Kashmir moderne.  Un peu comme l’empire romain sur l’actuelle Italie. Un Jammu and Kashmir fantaisie à je pense été créé pour le Jammu and Kashmir moderne. Sinon les éléments depuis 1948 peuvent être soit classés dans Pakistan, soit Inde, soit Chine. 

 

How absurd is the idea to dwell in the past as if the world came to an end after 1948.

By this laughable logic, all those countries, that gained the independence after 1948, must be shown under the mother country?

This is not only grotesque but incomprehensible as well!

Polette

Bonjour,

Numista traite la période jusque 1948 (avant donc le conflit indo-pakistanais.). Il s’agit ici de l’ancien Jammu and Kashmir et non le Jammu and Kashmir moderne.  Un peu comme l’empire romain sur l’actuelle Italie. Un Jammu and Kashmir fantaisie à je pense été créé pour le Jammu and Kashmir moderne. Sinon les éléments depuis 1948 peuvent être soit classés dans Pakistan, soit Inde, soit Chine. 

 

 

Then shouldn't coins of the Princely State of Jammu and Kashmir colour India, Pakistan and China instead colouring just India? The area of the Princely State is de facto administrated by these three countries nowadays.

I added Pakistan and China to the map.

Jarcek

I added Pakistan and China to the map.

What about this political map? Still showing one country holding it. This is what my initial concern was, this is an incorrect and prejudiced map so this must also be changed.

As far as I know, map is done by what each site administers, and as such, is accurate I believe.

Jarcek

As far as I know, map is done by what each site administers, and as such, is accurate I believe.

It's accurate on what grounds, again? I just gave you the whole details in the first post that it's a disputed territory and must be shown separately and not in India, China or Pakistan's map.

On current administrative division. Map does not show disputed territorries.

Jarcek

Map does not show disputed territorries.

It doesn't show you the disputed territory??? Are you sure you know where Jammu and Kashmir is on the world map?

This is how it should be in your database, as per the UNO map.

Map in "your collection" page shows borders based on current line of control - aka current borders.

If you have item from Jammu and Kashmir princely state, all three countries will be marked on your map.

I see no basis for any change here.

 The Netherlands' stance on the issue is identical, where Numista's headquarters are based, so you're requested to make the appropriate adjustments to the Numista's map.

I have no opinion on the request, as I don’t know the region and it’s problems. I am pretty sure though that Numista is based in France, and not in The Netherlands :-)

smvdbrink

 The Netherlands' stance on the issue is identical, where Numista's headquarters are based, so you're requested to make the appropriate adjustments to the Numista's map.

I have no opinion on the request, as I don’t know the region and it’s problems. I am pretty sure though that Numista is based in France, and not in The Netherlands :-)

The Netherlands were based in France between 1806-1810 … Kingdom of Holland - Wikipedia
😁

[Edited due to previous mistake.]

Hello,

The map in the collection dashboard currently doesn't really support border disputes. It is intended as a tool to locate approximately where the coins are coming from. This intention is reflected in the purposedly simplified geometrical drawing of the borders.

Unlike the maps from the United Nations, we don't support dotted lines. In the case of Kashmir, we approximately represent the territories controlled de facto by India, Pakistan and China.

With Jarcek's recent change, the coins of the Princely State of Jammu and Kashmir now colour, the modern territories of Pakistan, India and China, since the historical territory of the Princely State of Jammu and Kashmir overlap the territories of these three countries as drawn on the map.

A better solution would be to rely on the historical borders of each coin issuer (and even better: rely on the borders at different dates). This would allow to represent the Princely State of Jammu and Kashmir with more precise borders, instead of stretching it over the modern borders. Unfortunately, this is very complex (both in terms of UI and in terms of data) and we didn't start working on it yet.

Numista is no state or governmental institution and can do what ever it wants. It could even eradicate Pakistan from its used maps entirely and it would be fine … fine but wrong. You also might want to pick up a pew pew stick and march north east to deal with the situation yourself if it bothers you so much. 

I really would like something like historical maps that could depict things more precisely and solve many of these compromises we have to make with the limited modern borders but this is nothing Numista can do by itself. There are entire dedicated online communities doing stuff like this over many many years and even they still fail in many aspects.

We would need access to open source coordinates for vector graphics that are similar to this website's but with even more entities (and most likely many many more years):

https://historicborders.app/year/2010?lng=0&lat=0&zoom=2