Yes, there are 3 finalist designs for the Semiquincentennial Coin Act $1 coin. Obverse and reverse selected https://en.numista.com/forum/topic166518.html#p1302449 Obverse #2 will be the winner. I'd like Reverse #6 if they show the bird pooping on the American public.
I, for one, do object. The Semiquincentennial Coin Act authorized the making of a $1 coin thus,
‘‘(C) DOLLARS.—The Secretary may, in addition to the coins produced under subsections (r) and (w), mint for issuance during the one-year period beginning January 1, 2026, $1 dollar coins with designs emblematic of the United States semiquincentennial."
I fail to see how President Trump's image is emblematic (symbolic) of the 250th anniversary of this nation. It's nothing more than the vanity of one man.
Congress writes the laws, and the law granted discretionary authority to the Secretary, and Congress approved the Secretary's nomination, and the Secretary approved the design so the coin's design satisfies the law. Ergo, I have no objection.
I do think its time to change the law, but that won't affect the Trump dollar
I don't think any design has been approved yet. Regardless, had President Ford demanded his portrait be on the 1976 Bicentennial dollar he would have been rejected roundly by all involved. Eisenhower's portrait was selected because it was the current $1 coin obverse. Do you really think President Trump hasn't influenced the selection committee?
I, for one, do object. The Semiquincentennial Coin Act authorized the making of a $1 coin thus,
‘‘(C) DOLLARS.—The Secretary may, in addition to the coins produced under subsections (r) and (w), mint for issuance during the one-year period beginning January 1, 2026, $1 dollar coins with designs emblematic of the United States semiquincentennial."
I fail to see how President Trump's image is emblematic (symbolic) of the 250th anniversary of this nation. It's nothing more than the vanity of one man.
I agree its tasteless, but legal. The 1926 Sesqui centenary half dollar showed sitting President Calvin Coolidge when he was very much alive and there are other coins showing live Americans too.
Would be objecting say if a popular or cool president like Obama was on that coin.
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I was never objecting to his portrait being on a coin while he was still alive. I was objecting to his portrait being on a coin celebrating 250 years since the founding of this once great nation.
The face of Lady Liberty appeared on our circulating coins for more than 150 years. When considering options for our first coins, Congress debated over whether to feature George Washington and later presidents. Many believed that putting the current president on a coin was too similar to Great Britain’s practice of featuring their monarchs. Instead, Congress chose to personify the concept of liberty rather than a real person.
Anyone who objects to the use of Trump's usage on this coin should call their Congressman on Monday morning. Express your opinion where it can actually make a difference, not just here on a hobby website.
And remember to vote next year in the mid-terms! Remember, every vote counts, especially yours @Sjoelund, @King , @KennyG , @Camerinvs
Congress no longer has a say. It's totally now up to the Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Bessent.
Congress can amend the law if it so chooses, even after the designs are selected, even after dies are made, even after coins are minted, etc etc. But that wont happen because there is no will political will to change the law. On-line chatter changes nothing.
But I do love reading the critiques from non-US members here. I guess they dont love Trump. Ha ha.
Anyone who objects to the use of Trump's usage on this coin should call their Congressman on Monday morning. Express your opinion where it can actually make a difference, not just here on a hobby website.
And remember to vote next year in the mid-terms! Remember, every vote counts, especially yours @Sjoelund, @King , @KennyG , @Camerinvs
I suppose this is intended to be sarcastic since none of us four is (as you know) American. Well, we can still voice our opinion on forums such as this one so far as currency is concerned. And of course Trumpian power tantrums have consequences well beyond the US borders.
And I'll say this: I was talking with a historian friend of mine and submitted to him my hypothesis (also as a historian, though he knows much more about the US than I do) that the Trump regime has revealed fundamental weaknesses in the instutition of the Presidency and he fully agreed. What I mean by this is that much that Trump does that is unprecedented, like bypassing Senate on financial matters, is not formally forbidden to the President in the Constitution; until now Presidents have just largely ruled based on the republican principle of collegial governance. When Stephen Miller froze on CNN because he had revealed the principle under which the Trump entourage works, that all the power lies in the President, he was barely exaggeratng.
It would probably suit the modern climate. I'm not American, but it seems like it used to be that the office of president was bigger than the man. But recently it's all personality politics. If the US has changed enough that they can elect a megalomaniac like Trump not once, but twice then it's only right to slap his portrait all over their coins.
What I mean by this is that much that Trump does that is unprecedented, like bypassing Senate on financial matters, is not formally forbidden to the President in the Constitution; until now Presidents have just largely ruled based on the republican principle of collegial governance. When Stephen Miller froze on CNN because he had revealed the principle under which the Trump entourage works, that all the power lies in the President, he was barely exaggeratng.
The fundamental reason why rules and laws are made is because there is always someone who thinks common sense and decency and informal and consensual agreements does not apply to them.
Furthermore, the US has an electoral system established in times where only men, landowners above a certain relatively high age could vote, and at the time it perhaps would seem normal that up to half of the voters opinions are discarded by the winner-takes-all electoral system. The US electoral system needs an overhaul, so as many votes as possible are used for political influence.
Anyone who objects to the use of Trump's usage on this coin should call their Congressman on Monday morning. Express your opinion where it can actually make a difference, not just here on a hobby website.
And remember to vote next year in the mid-terms! Remember, every vote counts, especially yours @Sjoelund, @King , @KennyG , @Camerinvs
Well as camerinvs already replied stating the obvious about our inability to vote in US elections, I won’t take your comment as either „sarcasm, stay out of our business“ or „please vote to help get the current president out of office“ because I could interpret the comment either way.
However I will clarify with some facts; I don’t like injustices in the world, I don’t like bullies, I don’t like criminals, I don’t like manipulators, influencers, racists, I don’t like sexism, arrogance, rudeness, entitlement, thieves, liars, sexual predictors, people with fake tans or power hungry babies.
Now I understand the world, the rich and powerful are all the things I don’t like (see above), throughout history they have shaped the world as it is today, and continue to do so. They appear on coins, of which some are beautiful and some are ugly, some follow tradition and some do their own wacky thing, all should be viewed in context and with relevance.
And so on the basis that; Trump is ugly, there is no relevance to the anniversary, no tradition of a sitting president appearing on US coins, and he is literally 99% of the things I despise (and quite frankly any normal human being should despise), so IMO his portrait shouldn’t ruin a historically significant US coin. But say la vie, people like that do what they want, get away with doing what they want, and continue to do what they want. It is just a coin.
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Given that the coin is going to be priced close to $100 (factoring tax and post) and struck in limited quantities, I don’t really interpret it as a huge propaganda tool. But the fact that everyone, including late night talk show hosts are talking about it, that’s the real coup
that said, I definitely would buy that coin just because it marks a milestone in the sea-change of the kind of politics the US is going through right now. i like conversational pieces, so I can’t imagine what else could get a very , ahem.. lively discussion going ;)
Congress no longer has a say. It's totally now up to the Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Bessent.
Congress can amend the law if it so chooses, even after the designs are selected, even after dies are made, even after coins are minted, etc etc. But that wont happen because there is no will political will to change the law. On-line chatter changes nothing.
But I do love reading the critiques from non-US members here. I guess they dont love Trump. Ha ha.
What I find interesting is that while all the other denominations have been selected, the $1 coin design has not been. Note that the law states the Secretary may mint a $1 semiquincentennial coin. Not “must” but "may." Maybe Mr. Bessent is trying to do the right thing?
My people, I can't stand him either, but we are getting bent out of shape over this. Living people and presidents have appeared on US coins before - but only commemoratives not standard coinage. The Presidents on standard coinage are well and truly dead and worthy recipients. Coolidge appeared on a 1926 Half dollar and I think there were a couple of others somewhere.
Even here in far off New Zealand, our Trade Me site you can buy all sorts of stuff with Donald Trump on it, coins, notes, silver rounds, you name it - all garbage but it sells and there is a market for it.
This is a selection now
Hopefully 2028 will roll around and he will be voted out - then no one has to mention his name again. I do agree though that USA was daft to elect him again, but it was possible as Dubya got in twice, the second time through fear
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My people, I can't stand him either, but we are getting bent out of shape over this. Living people and presidents have appeared on US coins before - but only commemoratives not standard coinage. The Presidents on standard coinage are well and truly dead and worthy recipients. Coolidge appeared on a 1926 Half dollar and I think there were a couple of others somewhere.
Even here in far off New Zealand, our Trade Me site you can buy all sorts of stuff with Donald Trump on it, coins, notes, silver rounds, you name it - all garbage but it sells and there is a market for it.
This is a selection now
Hopefully 2028 will roll around and he will be voted out - then no one has to mention his name again. I do agree though that USA was daft to elect him again, but it was possible as Dubya got in twice, the second time through fear
Donald Trump can't be a candidate in 2028, as the American Constitution limits a President to 2 terms in office, either consecutively or non-consecutively.
I don't collect coins because I like or support the people who made them or who are depicted on them. Coins to me are historical artifacts, no matter how old or new! The possible Trump coin would be a very interesting historical piece for my collection! Just in comparison with the other big guys, there are no official Putin, Xi or even current Kim coins, as far as I know. I wonder if the Trump dollar will be a silver collector coin, or a proper circulating coin.
As of the end of the year the $1 coin Semiquincentennial coin has still not been announced while all others that have been selected are confirmed and moving forward. Maybe they're having trouble deciding on the reverse?
What I find offensive is the indignity of the hijacking of other people's symbols and then the mixing of messages. George Orwell would be proud!
But hey, the label says "land of the free" and the glove fits, so the people must have decided what goes on the coin. I just don't buy it. 😆 Maybe I will take it on a swap in the future as a historical artifact.
At least the markets are still some kind of indicator…
“President Trump’s handpicked arts commission voted on Thursday to approve a commemorative, 24-karat gold coin bearing Mr. Trump’s image … and it is not clear whether anyone would have legal standing to challenge the matter in court."
And the article also says that “the U.S. Mint in Philadelphia has already produced prototypes” of the other coins with Trump's likeness.
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To translate the key phrase in the first paragraph:
“handpicked commission” = coterie of minions
When you read the article, a coterie of minions is exactly what this commission is.
A few lines of many:
NY Times 2026-03-19
Ms. Sullivan said the Treasury had not yet determined the size of the [Trump gold] coins [made under Bessent’s authority] or how much they would be valued, but she suggested they would be worth hundreds of dollars each. Members of the panel [= the handpicked commission] encouraged her to make them as large as possible.
Speaking for myself only, I have nothing but total destain for anything political or pertaining to politics. In my experience, it has lead to nothing but a loss of peace of mind, and a lower quality of life.
Yes, this is the world we live in, and we have to make the best of it.
Hundreds of dollars each, as large as possible? Article I read was talking about 76mm diameter of 24 carat gold. That puts it in the neighborhood of US $46,000 melt value.
Hundreds of dollars each, as large as possible? Article I read was talking about 76mm diameter of 24 carat gold. That puts it in the neighborhood of US $46,000 melt value.
Large coins like these - in gold or silver etc - have very low mintages. Even among supporters there's very little market for something that expensive, and less of a secondary market too I imagine.
I also wonder what the premium would be over melt. Are we looking at a $100,000 coin? I'll take two!
If “hundred of dollars” is in the $500 -$999 range then you're talking about a coin size like the 5 Dollars "American Gold Eagle" coins (3.4g, 16mm). Somehow I don't think that's what Trump had in mind.
You don't have to translate “handpicked commission” for us, there was no hidden meaning there.
I didn't have to, but I did it anyway.
And I disagree: many wouldn't get the hidden meaning. I know some Canadian MAGA people for whom “handpicked” by Trump is a good thing.
Are those “Canadian MAGA people” in the room with us now? Or are you grandstanding in a coin forum? [1]
This thread was political clickbait from Day One, but please try to stay on topic. Coins not politics. [2]
[1] If you insinuate that I am lying, sorry to disappoint, but what I said is true. I do know Canadian MAGA people. One of them is proud to say she's a real estate person while her husband (whom I also know) is a builder, so together, they're just like a small version of Trump. Pretty pathetic.
[2] In the present case, the article you linked is about the politics of this banana-republic style of coin-design selection, so, the blame largely falls on you. Also, with this administration it's impossible to disentangle coins and numismatics from politics, because most decisions are made by boards and committees subservient to the Leader. It will be impossible for numismatists of the future to explain these coins without looking into political allegiances and subservience and the efforts made to reinterpret the laws to please the Leader.
If “hundred of dollars” is in the $500 -$999 range then you're talking about a coin size like the 5 Dollars "American Gold Eagle" coins (3.4g, 16mm). Somehow I don't think that's what Trump had in mind.
No, I imagine that Trump wants a 1-kilo gold coin.
I've seen similar vanity pieces in gold, silver, platinum over the years on the secondary market (at coin shows). They look nice in a display case but they rarely sell much over melt. So I can picture a handful (5 or 10?) being made as showpieces, if at all.
I think a $5 gold version would have a decent market. I would guess 10,000 pieces on the low end, 100,000 on the high end.
[1] If you insinuate that I am lying, sorry to disappoint, but what I said is true. I do know Canadian MAGA people. One of them is proud to say she's a real estate person while her husband (whom I also know) is a builder, so together, they're just like a small version of Trump. Pretty pathetic.
[2] In the present case, the article you linked is about the politics of this banana-republic style of coin-design selection, so, the blame largely falls on you. Also, with this administration it's impossible to disentangle coins and numismatics from politics, because most decisions are made by boards and committees subservient to the Leader. It will be impossible for numismatists of the future to explain these coins without looking into political allegiances and subservience and the efforts made to reinterpret the laws to please the Leader.
I insinuate nothing. You are proselytizing in a coin forum, raving about people (such as your Canadian MAGA friends) who might be confused about the meaning of “handpicked commission” in a NY Times article. Well done. I hope you feel better.
Have fun on your soapbox. I'll be here buying, sorting, and admiring my coins.
Looks like another flame war inbound, see y'all in a couple weeks when the smoke clears.
I watched a video by CoinHelpU (Dan in Portsmouth, USA) and he slams the coin saying its ugly and decides to compare it to the 1926 Half Dollar with President Calvin Coolidge on it (The coin MAGA types love to hold up as an example of living presidents on coins). The differences are manifold.
First of all the 1926 shows the Liberty Bell on one side and the dates 1776 1926 either side of it, second the other side shows Washington in profile with Coolidge behind him. Its a silver half dollar, which was fairly affordable even then (1926 was very much the roaring 20s, not the depression as some says and even despite that the crash was very late in 1929 and really took until 1931 for the Depression to dig in).
Coolidge is never more than a background on the coin, the main part of the design is devoted to symbols of the early nation.
Now look at the Trump coin, a giant slab of gold, it shows Trump dominating in a menacing pose on the coin. Its loud, vulgar, ugly and obscene. The other side I have not seen, but I assume it shows a eagle or some generic device. The only thing that ties back to 1776 is the 13 stars and the dates 1776 - 2026. It is basically something you expect off a Kim Il Sung, a Putin, Stalin, Lenin, Khameinei, Saddam, Ghaddafi, Mobutu, Boigny, Castro, Amin or any other horrible dictator.
Its a load of garbage, like the President. USA has sunk to a new low by allowing it. The coin is not even denominated.
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My understanding is that it would be denominated as $1 (Official medals of living persons by the US Mint have never been an issue). Other than that I agree with you 100%.
There are some similarities, but in Caesar's case, the coinage was more a consequence of his unchallenged and unrepublican powers (especially dictator perpetuo = dictator for life) than a cause of his murder.
One big difference is that Trump's minions decided not to include his name in the legends. No doubt they considered the possibility, but they probaby expected a stronger push back against the whole scheme. We may never know unless (for example) some of those people are prosecuted for violating the constitution (especially abuse of power) and the documents (including emails) become part of the prosecution's evidence.
19.7 ounces would be also around 620 grams of gold meaning it would be more a giant slab than coin.
Also I doubt they would charge just melt rates on it. I am sure being a Trump product this man would hype the price 300% or more.
I can bet you best friends Putin, Xi and Musk will be lining up to buy one.
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19.7 ounces would be also around 620 grams of gold meaning it would be more a giant slab than coin.
Also I doubt they would charge just melt rates on it. I am sure being a Trump product this man would hype the price 300% or more.
I can bet you best friends Putin, Xi and Musk will be lining up to buy one.
Why would anyone buy the coin? I can think of a few reasons: investment, bragging rights, aesthetics, money laundering, a late-night drunken shopping spree?
Slab? That's one word for it, but the size is not unusual at all… I searched Numista's catalog for gold coins that weigh 620 grams or more. I found exactly 500 entries. Many are far larger than the Trump coin, most weigh 1-kilo, and the largest weighs a a bit more than that:
No, the coin won't list at melt, why would it? Bullion coins almost aways list for a premium over melt though I think 300% is your angry hyperbole.
Whether Putin, Xi, and Musk line up to buy one, I can't say. They certainly can afford them. Though they would just as likely receive them as gifts (see, for example, the 1804 US dollar).
100% irrelevant. This is a coin forum, not Reddit.
Yet you keep defending him. Always have to have the last word, always need reassurance.
You should calm down and stop responsing to my every post like a snapping turtle.
We get it, you love Donald Trump because you are a proud American.
The rest of us don't care and we mostly just tolerate your ramblings, but that can and will change.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Yet you keep defending him. Always have to have the last word, always need reassurance.
You should calm down and stop responsing to my every post like a snapping turtle.
We get it, you love Donald Trump because you are a proud American.
The rest of us don't care and we mostly just tolerate your ramblings, but that can and will change.
I scrolled thru the thread. Can't see where I defended Trump or professed my love for him. Please dont twist my words to suit your cause.
You tolerate my “ramblings”? But that can and will change? Sounds like a threat to me. What are you going to do?
PS: funny that you suggest I always have to get the last word. What do you think you are doing every time you reply with what you hope is the last word?
Yet you keep defending him. Always have to have the last word, always need reassurance.
You should calm down and stop responsing to my every post like a snapping turtle.
We get it, you love Donald Trump because you are a proud American.
The rest of us don't care and we mostly just tolerate your ramblings, but that can and will change.
I scrolled thru the thread. Can't see where I defended Trump or professed my love for him. Please dont twist my words to suit your cause.
You tolerate my “ramblings”? But that can and will change? Sounds like a threat to me. What are you going to do?
PS: funny that you suggest I always have to get the last word. What do you think you are doing every time you reply with what you hope is the last word?
Just can't take a hint and last word. The fact you defend Trump against every criticism here like from Camerinvs (A person who I consider has more clout and respect here than either of us) and other people has you jumping in and defending your dear Trump.
You don't have to tell us that you like Trump, we can intonate verfy easily from your various emissions of pablum all over these forums.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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Just can't take a hint and last word. The fact you defend Trump against every criticism here like from Camerinvs (A person who I consider has more clout and respect here than either of us) and other people has you jumping in and defending your dear Trump.
You don't have to tell us that you like Trump, we can intonate verfy easily from your various emissions of pablum all over these forums.
Why do you come back to this thread? You hate the subject matter and have made no meaningful contribution to the discussion. Your comments and accusations are little more than angry missives, personal insults, and diatribes against Trump, all of which suffer from one logical fallacy after another. Your claims are unsupported by fact, you lack the objectivity necessary to participate in intellectual discourse, and your inferences are clouded by your anger toward Trump.
As for needing the last word… Unlike you, I find the topic of this thread historically and numismatically interesting, and I have provided occasional updates from reputable news sources to continue the discourse. For example, I posted an update just a few days ago that discussed the proposed weight, purity, and mintage of the Trump coin. You replied with a rhetorical query and critique pondering why anyone would buy such a “slab”. I replied with objective facts about other coins of similar size and mintage, and reasons why one might buy such a coin. That also upset you. Well, too bad brother. I'm not here to candy-coat the world for you. I will, however, follow this thread as the story progresses, and, when possible, I will post related links and facts. I will also reply to any and comments directed toward me. I don't run from bullies like you, not one bit.
So I say, once again: you hate Trump. We get it. Move on.
In related news, several members of the US Senate did propose a bill “to prohibit a United States currency featuring the likeness of a living or sitting President.”
According to the Senate tracker, the bill was read twice and “referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs”.
I hadn't seen the “About That” CBC clip linked by ashlobo. Thx for that.
I'm pretty sure it won't take long before papers (academic or otherwise) start to be published on how Trump and his minions tried to bend the spirit of the law to have him depicted on coins. As I said somewhere on this site, this topic would make an excellent research project —even an M.A. or PhD thesis— for someone interested in law and numismatics. In fact, the legal aspect of this issue could turn out to be more important than the numismatic aspect.
And thanks for your good words, Moneytane. I'm not sure at all I have the kind of clout you mention, but thanks. I myself have learned much from you and many others on this site. I'll add that I started a research project thanks to some of the discussions in different threads on this site. It's on NCLT and, hopefully, it will eventually be publishable. (By the way, talking about NCLT… Nauru will very likely change its name to Naoero; a referendum is to be held in the not-too-distant future.)
Although the design is horrible, a $250 is a good idea as the $100 has lost a lot of value since it was the highest banknote back in 1969.
This paranoia about cash from the digital world (Banking, credit cards) and tainting it with “Money laundering” and “Drug deals” is an excuse to squash the use of cash. I mean $100 is made out to be some colossal sum used only by criminals. It does not even get a basket of groceries or a 3 star meal for 3 any more.
Think about it, back in 1969 - $100 had the buying power of $1,000 or more. In New Zealand a $100 note today would only be worth $3 of the money in 1967. $10 and $20 then were common notes for paying wages with. Now you give them to kids to buy candy or some takeaway food (One combo only!). Not sure about USA in the 1960s, but here the average worker got $20 - $35 a week in 1967 (Changed from £10 - £17 in 1966 census), so a $100 note was 3 or 4 weeks wages, now its 4.23 hours of work for the lowest paid worker (Minimum wage is $23.95 per hour here).
Unlike the coins, if Donald introduces a $250 note, it may be helpful and make carrying several thousand bucks around a bit easier!
He should go further and bring in $500 and $1,000 - the latter would still be worth less than $100 in 1969 (The year the $500 and $1,000 notes disappeared from common usage).
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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Although the design is horrible, a $250 is a good idea as the $100 has lost a lot of value since it was the highest banknote back in 1969.
It's not 1969. People do not spend banknotes above $20 anymore. There is no economic reason to produce $250 banknotes. Which is why one of the reasons the Director of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing objected to the unauthorized preparation of the $250 banknote. She was quickly reassigned.
Although the design is horrible, a $250 is a good idea as the $100 has lost a lot of value since it was the highest banknote back in 1969.
It's not 1969. People do not spend banknotes above $20 anymore. There is no economic reason to produce $250 banknotes. Which is why one of the reasons the Director of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing objected to the unauthorized preparation of the $250 banknote. She was quickly reassigned.
It seems that people who object to the way things are being done in the USA at the moment could learn a bit from the Dutch, Belgian and French Resistance of WWII. Sabotage things like this, then deny knowing anything about it. ‘’ Nothing to do with me, mate''
And this in a country that purports to be ‘The leader of the free world’ . Doesn't seem that it's especially ‘Great’ in America at the moment.
Maybe but I actually like paper money. I prefer to be carrying around big notes than paying for things digitally. I would be happier holding piles of $1000 notes rather a bank account with $100,000 of digital money. And yes I expect a barrage of replies going on about being a target for thieves. Very easy to record serial numbers and thieves caught out with them.
Seriously in my banknote collection, something wonderful about a huge £10 note from the 1940s in NZ. Only $20 in todays money, but a face value of over $1,000 in today's spending power. That huge note was over a week's pay for most people then. Don't you guys want the romance of those big notes again?
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
It seems that people who object to the way things are being done in the USA at the moment could learn a bit from the Dutch, Belgian and French Resistance of WWII. Sabotage things like this, then deny knowing anything about it. ‘’ Nothing to do with me, mate''
And this in a country that purports to be ‘The leader of the free world’ . Doesn't seem that it's especially ‘Great’ in America at the moment.
What an obnoxius, judgmental, ill-conceived comment.
Also, you suggest sabotage?? Advocating violence in a coin forum??
PS: I hear things aren't especially “Great” in the UK right now.
I have to agree with Moneytane. I'm using $50. and $100. banknotes more and more for everyday transactions. And fewer stores are accepting cash. If this is life in the fast lane, please let me off!
Although the design is horrible, a $250 is a good idea as the $100 has lost a lot of value since it was the highest banknote back in 1969.
It's not 1969. People do not spend banknotes above $20 anymore. There is no economic reason to produce $250 banknotes. Which is why one of the reasons the Director of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing objected to the unauthorized preparation of the $250 banknote. She was quickly reassigned.
Apparently the article states that bills over 100$ need congressional approval besides the rule that no living person Can appear on a bill since a 5c note saw a mid level beaureacrats visage find its way on one.
I don’t personally care if govts anywhere in the world want to issue large bills or not, but you do need a business case as rsirian1 noted above.
TCon, I've followed your posts for nearly a year. In terms of helping beginning collectors, you are first rate. But when politics become involved, your productivity suffers somewhat. Just a personal observation.
That's it exactly. Fortunately there are still artisans willing to accept cash. But it's still legal tender, right? That's my biggest problem. It should be accepted regardless.
I agree 100%. In the cafeteria ate work they just put up a sign that says, “We will no longer accept banknotes of $50 or above.” Who's going to stand there at the front of the line and argue?
I accept there is no economic need for a $250. banknote, or any other high demonization, as cash seems to be becoming more obsolete. But for myself, I simply don't trust this digital currency.
I agree with the concept of high face value banknotes, however I must make it clear I am not happy wth the apparance of Trump or any other living individual on them. People shown on banknotes must be dead when the note is released and must have been a significant individual in the country/state the note is issued and they can NOT be polarising or from a socially repellent or restrictive regime, so individuals like Trump, Putin, Lenin and Hitler will be forever excluded.
Yes I know the resistance to big notes because of the issues f theft, money laundering, drug deals etc - but people can exercise personal security (Money clips that give theives an electric or laser shock) and huge notes make mega commerce easier and stop government and big brother tracking people like digital commerce does. If you have $250, $1,000, $5,000 and $20,000 notes, then you can stuff them under the bed.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
There is no economic reason to produce $250 banknotes.
Counterpoint:
Bear in mind that what we see here in the US, at the till, is only a minor fraction of our total currency supply:
“According to the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, nearly 80 percent of $100 bills—and more than 60 percent of all US bills—are overseas, up from roughly 30 percent in 1980.” [1]
That US currency is held in massive quantities by reserve banks, financial institutions, corporations, etc worldwide, not just criminals. Picture vaults all over the world filled with pallets of $100 bills (and other denominations).
Given the number of $100 notes produced annually [2], the US could enjoy a significant savings by introducing $250 bills. How? We would need far fewer $100 bills to satisfy global demand for total US currency, which is also the logic behind maintaining the $100 bill (it would cost too much to replace them with an equivalent value in $50 bills) [1]. I don't suggest replacing any or all existing $100 bills with $250 bills (or any other larger denomination), but if we did have a $250 bill, we would need increasingly fewer $100 bills in the future. Thus, there is at least one significant economic reason to introduce a higher denomination bill.
Plus, the added benefit of one more collectible item for my collection.
None of this matters though, because the idea of the $250 bill is to celebrate this year's anniversary, and even that idea has yet to pass any Congressional barrier. And the number “250” is relevant now, but won't be in the future.
Good point(s) but ask yourself, Would a $250 banknote even be considered without President Trump's image on it? I think not and my opinion has nothing to do with TDS.
Good point(s) but ask yourself, Would a $250 banknote even be considered without President Trump's image on it? I think not and my opinion has nothing to do with TDS.
No. Not at all. Although there are commemorative and even economic reasons for producing a $250 bill, that moment has come and gone. It typically takes years to design a new coin or banknote and the only way to rush thru a design is the death of a president, ie: FDR (dime), Kennedy (half dollar), Ike (dollar).
I am not happy wth the apparance of Trump or any other living individual on them. People shown on banknotes must be dead when the note is released and must have been a significant individual in the country/state the note is issued and they can NOT be polarising or from a socially repellent or restrictive regime, so individuals like Trump, Putin, Lenin and Hitler will be forever excluded.
Um, does that apply to ALL currencies, or are you just dictating what the US should do?
Your profile says that you're from NZ where QEII's portrait adorned your coins and banknotes for decades while she was alive (not dead as you insist), and she was quite polarising too, or do you forget your history? Here's a refresher:
“Recurring, brutal end-of-empire conflicts thus marred the first thirty years of Queen Elizabeth II’s reign. Beginning in Malaya, then in Kenya, Cyprus, Nyasaland, Aden, and Northern Ireland, British security forces moved through the empire and acted in the Queen’s name, unleashing wide-scale detention without trial and illegal deportations. In Malaya and Kenya, they forcibly relocated hundreds of thousands of subjects into barbed-wire villages where forced labor and starvation were forms of colonial control. In each conflict, kill squads were deployed and populations terrorized. In Cyprus, journalists called interrogators HMTs, Her Majesty’s Torturers.”
There is no economic reason to produce $250 banknotes.
Counterpoint:
Bear in mind that what we see here in the US, at the till, is only a minor fraction of our total currency supply:
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That US currency is held in massive quantities by reserve banks, financial institutions, corporations, etc worldwide, not just criminals. Picture vaults all over the world filled with pallets of $100 bills (and other
maybe international banks held pallets of $100 bills à la Scrooge mcduck style In the 1950s lol. but for the last 30 odd years or so, the vast majority of currency are held notionally & electronically in multi-jurisdictional bank accounts on behalf of govts and private entities in a web that would be too complicated to explain and in many cases will be classified or hidden within shell accounts for various reasons. and that is just the legitimate aspect of it.
The US govt is not responsible for dollarised economies like Panama or Zimbabwe to issue more bills, that is certainly not an economic reason from the US pov.
i wonder on another note about the Trump plastered Passports being issued this year. For those who have to renew they passport, are they forced to take this passport. I see that it’s described as limited edition… but does that mean one opts for it this year only, or it’s for every passport issued in 2026? I can’t imagine how I would feel if I were forced to see Trudeau on my passport eveytime i opened it
edit: looks like the passport will be issued only out of a washington DC office
…The official said that the passport “will be the default passport out of the Washington Passport Agency when available” for those who renew their passports in person at that location.
“Online options or other locations will maintain existing passport design,” the official said….
On the passports - my understanding is that anyone who has their passports renewed in 2026 at the Washington DC office may CHOOSE between the standard issue and the “Trump 250” issue.
A bit of an oddity given that the states around DC tend to lean more to the Democrats than the Republicans, and the Republicans there are more “casual” than the full-on MAGA style. Really going to make them extraordinarily rare for usage, I would think.
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On the political side, I do think that living elected officials should never feature on currency. I kind of understand unelected heads of state appearing, they are supposed to be a living unifying symbol of the country; a living representation of the country, the ultimate servant of the people/state. I appreciate they can certainly be polarising, but most people I know are relatively indifferent to monarchs directly. At least for the UK & Commonwealth, Norway, Denmark, & Belgium where I've spoke to people about it. But that's only personal experience of course.
Personally, I wouldn't include the monarch significantly at all, perhaps only as a small security feature on banknotes. And I'm a passive monarchist. 🤷♂️
I'm not particularly fond of even deceased elected officials appearing, unless it is for something significant outside of their political career. E.g. Duke of Wellington was the UKs PM 1828-30 (and briefly as a caretaker in 1834). But is perhaps best known for his military career. And our old note does show him in that capacity - oddly enough at Salamanca rather than his most famous (and arguably most influential) battle, Waterloo.
But I've never been a fan of Churchill £5. He is of course best known as PM during WWII. In that particular role, I will say he was the right man in the right place at the right time. Outside of that… he's more complex (to put it mildly). But it doesn't feel right to honour him as a politician no matter what. If he had an illustrious military career or was better known for his writing works…
And I do hold every democratic nation to that standard. It's not a directly anti-Trump double-standard.
So anything with his mugshot on shouldn't be used in an official capacity. Currency, passports, legal documents. Anything.
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The concept of a $250 note, outside of a purely collective piece, is certainly interesting though. I suspect it would end up like our £50/£100 notes here - viewed with significant suspicion and frequently refused.
It sounds too large for day-to-day usage, and too high for most retailers to risk accepting. Not to mention the drain on the till's change. But I know the Americans tend to be more comfortable with higher denominations - the $50/$100s seeing relatively common usage?
I've only ever taken 2x £50s when I worked retail for about 8 years. Never a £100. 🤷♂️
I am not happy wth the apparance of Trump or any other living individual on them. People shown on banknotes must be dead when the note is released and must have been a significant individual in the country/state the note is issued and they can NOT be polarising or from a socially repellent or restrictive regime, so individuals like Trump, Putin, Lenin and Hitler will be forever excluded.
Um, does that apply to ALL currencies, or are you just dictating what the US should do?
Your profile says that you're from NZ where QEII's portrait adorned your coins and banknotes for decades while she was alive (not dead as you insist), and she was quite polarising too, or do you forget your history? Here's a refresher:
“Recurring, brutal end-of-empire conflicts thus marred the first thirty years of Queen Elizabeth II’s reign. Beginning in Malaya, then in Kenya, Cyprus, Nyasaland, Aden, and Northern Ireland, British security forces moved through the empire and acted in the Queen’s name, unleashing wide-scale detention without trial and illegal deportations. In Malaya and Kenya, they forcibly relocated hundreds of thousands of subjects into barbed-wire villages where forced labor and starvation were forms of colonial control. In each conflict, kill squads were deployed and populations terrorized. In Cyprus, journalists called interrogators HMTs, Her Majesty’s Torturers.”
Yet QEII's face is probably the most prolific image on any coin or banknote in world history.
In other words, people in glass houses should not throw stones. Also, leave your politics at home.
Yes all countries not just the USA have to adhere to that code. Trump is just one of the main individuals and leaders that should not appear on any current banknote, unless he is dead. Given that he is 80, that is likely no more than 15 years away. Yes I agree about the Queen, that is why by 1992 she had been reduced to just one of our 5 notes (The $20). Also she only appeared on the notes of 1967 to 1991 for all denominations and the $20 afterwards. I never liked seeing her on our banknotes, its enough she was on every coin. Hopefully a left wing government will make us a Republic in or out of the Commonwealth, but constitutional monarchy seems to suit our purpose well now.
Our first two series of notes showed a Maori chief and king (Tawhiao) and then Captain Cook (Another colonialist, but he did kind of rediscover New Zealand for the world). Notes since 1992 have featured a mountaineer (Sir Edmund Hillary), a suffragist (Katherine Shepherd), a Maori politician (Sir Apriana Ngata) and our most famous scientist (Sir Ernest Rutherford). The Queen is likely to disappear on the next series of notes and I am not sure if any more British Monarchs will appear on our notes. Edmund Hillary was a controversial choice as the note came out when he was still alive and he was not keen on being on it.
The fact remains is New Zealand is a commonwealth realm and thus we must show the British sovereign on our coins. I am not one to deny the atrocities of empire, but the USA is just as guilty with its treatment of various non white communities. Plus Queen Elizabeth II was not PERSONALLY culpable for atrocities, it was the administrators and army. She was known for her kindness to Commonwealth peoples, many of who still revere her, she did not threaten to bomb countries into the stone age or call them names. However I will give you this - America learnt a lot of its evil colonialist and worst racist habits off Great Britain and the rest of Europe.
TCon, you forget I am a colonial subject who had a father beaten for not speaking English. My mother's ancestors were discriminated against for being Roman Catholics in a Protestant first country.
Back to the topic - I just realised $250 was the denom as it was the anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. I always thought $200 or $500 would be a better denom, but $250 would make sense too, as its 1,000 quarters. The Americans I notice too, are not that fond of the $50 note either preferring the $20s and then $100s as I watched Gaming videos up to 2 years ago and payouts were always in $100s and then $20s.
PS: TCon learn to know who you are insulting, I never forgot my history - I have a Masters Degree in Historical Anthropology and know my history very well. I once taught New Zealand History and also have a very sound grip of British history and to some degree the history and culture of the USA. Basically don't start insulting people you know nothing about to suit your pie eyed and very restricted focus of the modern world.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Yes all countries not just the USA have to adhere to that code…
The fact remains is New Zealand is a commonwealth realm and thus we must show the British sovereign on our coins….
Plus Queen Elizabeth II was not PERSONALLY culpable for atrocities, it was the administrators and army.
TCon, you forget I am a colonial subject who had a father beaten for not speaking English. My mother's ancestors were discriminated against for being Roman Catholics in a Protestant first country.
Back to the topic - I just realised $250 was the denom as it was the anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.
PS: TCon learn to know who you are insulting, I never forgot my history - I have a Masters Degree in Historical Anthropology and know my history very well. I once taught New Zealand History and also have a very sound grip of British history and to some degree the history and culture of the USA. Basically don't start insulting people you know nothing about to suit your pie eyed and very restricted focus of the modern world.
1) All countries have to adhere to your code? We'll get right on that. Anything else we can do for milord? Meanwhile, maybe tone down your rhetoric? Where's your academic objectivity? Were you so vitriolic when you were teaching?
2) NZ must show the sovereign on your currency? I thought it was optional and continued as tradition, or does that vary by country? (Serious question.)
3) QEII wasn't “personally” culpable? That's one interpretation, but I won't expound here because it's a wholly political argument forbidden by Numista rules. (Take it to Reddit.)
4) You think I “forget” that you are a colonial subject and your father was beaten for not speaking English? No, sir, I didn't “forget” that, because I didn't know that, because I dont know you, as you later point out, so how could I “forget” any of that?
5) You just realized why the $250 denomination was selected? That should have been fairly obvious given your expertise in American history.
PS: I wasn't "insulting" you. What I said was “or do you forget your history?” It's a figure of speech. You insist that you didn't forget your history, so I guess you're just highly selective in your interpretation thereof. That's fine. But you do insult me, time and time again. That's fine too. Have fun.
A bit of an oddity given that the states around DC tend to lean more to the Democrats than the Republicans, and the Republicans there are more “casual” than the full-on MAGA style.
You don't have to travel more than 5 miles outside DC to see Trump flags and bumper stickers. Virginia and Maryland are not Democrat strongholds like DC (~90% Dem). Same is true in most metro areas (Boston, NYC, etc) which is why Trump won in 2016 and 2024. But that's a conversation for Reddit not Numista.
The concept of a $250 note, outside of a purely collective piece, is certainly interesting though... It sounds too large for day-to-day usage, and too high for most retailers to risk accepting. Not to mention the drain on the till's change. But I know the Americans tend to be more comfortable with higher denominations - the $50/$100s seeing relatively common usage?
I agree on all counts. If produced, I doubt the $250 note would circulate often for those very reasons.
But consider our $2 bill, which also rarely circulates. Yet still the BEP prints a hundred million or so in most years. They are legal tender but treated more like novelty items. My bank has straps of $2 bills for collectors, but stores don't order them. May well be the same for the imagined $250 bill. Can't say.
Oh, and yes, $100 bills are very common in US retail, all ATMs in my area offer them, I use them regularly at grocery stores, restaurants, anywhere I spend close to that amount. And its not just me, the tills are often full of $100s at larger retailers. But $50 bills are less common. Not rare, but less common. I've never seen those at ATMs.
PS: in some states, like where I'm from, all merchants are required by law to accept cash in any denomination, so my experience may differ from those who live in other states.
1) All countries have to adhere to your code? We'll get right on that. Anything else we can do for milord? Meanwhile, maybe tone down your rhetoric? Where's your academic objectivity? Were you so vitriolic when you were teaching? - No they don't, it was me offering an opinion, plus we have many rogue nations like Iran, Russia, China etc who do what they want etc.
2) NZ must show the sovereign on your currency? I thought it was optional and continued as tradition, or does that vary by country? (Serious question.). - Sadly its in our law that the British sovereign is the head of state and thus must be displayed appropriately. The governor general is their representative here. I don't agree with it, but given our coins are minted in Canada, a commonwealth realm and the UK itself - makes sense. NZ is mostly run by a white British settler descended majority who seem to like the British sovereign, although their popularity is declining and our country gets more non white and thus republican leaning.
3) QEII wasn't “personally” culpable? That's one interpretation, but I won't expound here because it's a wholly political argument forbidden by Numista rules. (Take it to Reddit.) - I am not on reddit, sounds too toxic
4) You think I “forget” that you are a colonial subject and your father was beaten for not speaking English? No, sir, I didn't “forget” that, because I didn't know that, because I dont know you, as you later point out, so how could I “forget” any of that? - Classic right wing “Know nothing argument” useless and invalid, you should have known with a name like Tane, I am clearly not of WASP background. You thought I was some crazed white royalist and I am not, I collect the coins yes, does not mean I like the authority.
5) You just realized why the $250 denomination was selected? That should have been fairly obvious given your expertise in American history. - I knew all along, but did not make the connection it was related to the anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, my bad.
PS: I wasn't "insulting" you. What I said was “or do you forget your history?” It's a figure of speech. You insist that you didn't forget your history, so I guess you're just highly selective in your interpretation thereof. That's fine. But you do insult me, time and time again. That's fine too. Have fun. - apology acepted, I would love to bury the hatchet and move on 😀
My responses above, glad your response was nuanced and reasonable and I am happy to move on.
I think too, with BC nations that have left the commonwealth or become Republics inside and outside the commonwealth. Most were colonies which were administered differently than Dominions. NZ, Australia, Canada, South Africa were considered “Dominions” as they had a white settler majority and most people were of British or Irish descent (Except South Africa, which had significant African/Asian/Mixed and Dutch/French descended settler population) and were in temperate zones that had a similar society to the UK. Whereas places like Barbados etc are all Island colonies which had a white elite governing over a native or non European Population (Black people in Cariobbean and Asian people in Malaya, Hong Kong etc) and thus they got “Independence” and these places which had a very small British population, often saw them leave and the indigenous/Coloured population take over. The big exception was South Africa which was led by the Afrikaner population, who had a bone to pick with the British and whose methods of treating Black and Coloured people was a lot more racist than the British had in mind (Lets say Karma is a b!tch).
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
maybe international banks held pallets of $100 bills à la Scrooge mcduck style In the 1950s lol.
Yes, pallets of US cash even in this day and age:
“Foreign investors also hold substantial amounts of paper banknotes ... Federal Reserve Board staff estimate that over $1 trillion in dollar banknotes were held by foreigners in the first quarter of 2025, roughly half of total dollar banknotes outstanding.”
That trillion-dollar figure include individuals, corporations, central banks, etc. So, yes, pallets of US cash stored all over the world.
the vast majority of currency are held notionally & electronically in multi-jurisdictional bank accounts on behalf of govts and private entities in a web that would be too complicated to explain
You're not wrong that a large fraction of international currency reserves are held digitally etc, but please don't ignore the quantity of hard US currency shipped abroad, and please don't patronize us ("too complicated to explain"??).
4) You think I “forget” that you are a colonial subject and your father was beaten for not speaking English? No, sir, I didn't “forget” that, because I didn't know that, because I dont know you, as you later point out, so how could I “forget” any of that? - Classic right wing “Know nothing argument” useless and invalid, you should have known with a name like Tane, I am clearly not of WASP background. You thought I was some crazed white royalist and I am not, I collect the coins yes, does not mean I like the authority.
My responses above, glad your response was nuanced and reasonable and I am happy to move on.
I'll move on, too, on every point except #4.
You claim that my statement is “useless and invalid” and that I “should have known with a name like Tane, I am clearly not of WASP background.” Your argument defies logic. I doubt that anyone outside of NZ can associate your user name with your heritage. There are 8 billion people on earth, do you know the etymology of all user names on all websites? I sure don't. Do you research all user names for sociohistorical context before you reply to a post? Me, either. So please don't assume I can guess your heritage or personal history based on a vague user name any more than you can guess mine.
Also:
“You thought I was some crazed white royalist”
I never said such a thing so please don't put words in my mouth.
Also:
“right wing”?
Oddly judgmental given your academic pedigree. The anthropologists I know tend to show objectivity and more restraint. Tsk tsk.
Sadly despite my qualifications, I may have an academic pedigree, but my working life has dropped into the vernacular working class pursuit and one can say my speech and attitudes are very non academic now. Apart from a stint of teaching high school history and geography, my working life has been mainly hardly graft and boring “field” and “survey” jobs.
Other points taken, yes the world is diverse and I found a white American actor called Tane McClure, plus its a name in Japan too - so point taken. NZer's are also considered to be quite insular at time, struggling to see life outside our safe shaky isles.
With money, I am still standing by my love of big value banknotes and the concept of being like Scrooge McDuck having a bin full of money and pallets of banknotes (In mine and most people's case, a few racks - 1,000 notes would be the size of our personal holdings). Some tenets of right wing philosophy I do like, such as harsh punishments, the right to make money and not have big governments take it all in tax and penalise you for making it.
If people increased their personal security carried money belts and proper wallets (You all would be amazed how many people have not got a wallet or purse and just shove cash in their pockets or bags) and had safes at home, the large banknote could be a reality again and common sense, like using your $250 and $1000 notes to buy fridges and cars, not just a burger, we could make it work!
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
My thanks to TCon, Moneytane, and the others for an interesting thread.
I am apolitical myself, and often despair over the pain, mayhem, and destruction from the extreme polarity found therein. I am a registered Republican, although my MAGA friends consider me to a RINO. On the other side, (this line is completely artificial!) many of my friends are environmentalists and political activists, including my wife. No friction, but my right and left friends aren't generally invited together as dinner guests.
On the passports - my understanding is that anyone who has their passports renewed in 2026 at the Washington DC office may CHOOSE between the standard issue and the “Trump 250” issue.
A bit of an oddity given that the states around DC tend to lean more to the Democrats than the Republicans, and the Republicans there are more “casual” than the full-on MAGA style. Really going to make them extraordinarily rare for usage, I would think.
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I couldn’t find anything to indicate whether people could opt for a standard passport of this Trump one. I suppose the best way to not mistakenly get one is to avoid that particular office completely lol
Often the rural and suburban areas even in states that vote democrat often are conservative/ republican. They tend to get outvoted though by the metropole area which usually constitute practically half or more of the population of the state. Then again, the archetype MAGA/Trump voter don’t tend to be the type that travel abroad and often don’t bother about getting a passport in anycase. So I imagine that the passport will be rare. It would certainly be a nice curiosity to have like a Nazi or Empire of Central Africa passport, but unlike those where one didn’t have any option, here citizens do and very few to none who not enthralled by trump would want their passports baring his ominious looking portrait
My thanks to TCon, Moneytane, and the others for an interesting thread.
I am apolitical myself, and often despair over the pain, mayhem, and destruction from the extreme polarity found therein. I am a registered Republican, although my MAGA friends consider me to a RINO. On the other side, (this line is completely artificial!) many of my friends are environmentalists and political activists, including my wife. No friction, but my right and left friends aren't generally invited together as dinner guests.
So strange, I am definitely one who gets on well with the whole political spectrum in public. Its actually the apolitical people I have problems with - people who refuse to vote as its not mandatory here. Some of my best friends are very right wing or blue as we call them in New Zealand. The big difference here is Red is the Colour of Labour and left wing, Blue is the colour of National or right wing. But we have the hard left/environmentalist Greens, and the hard right ACT party who use Yellow and Pink as colours.
My 2nd partner is a councillor for a right wing party here and my 3rd partner (Love of my life who passed 3 years ago) was as radical left as they came, and yet they were good friends (No 3 did No2's tax returns!). Even my parents were divided, my father was hardcore National who supported Muldoon (Our most Trump like leader) and my mother was super left like me and loved Labour (Helen Clark was her favourite and then of course Mickey Savage - our Roosevelt/Truman).
Even yesterday I was having morning tea with my very left good friend and we invited a couple over who are extremely right wing. No one fights, seems I can only pick them on forums!
However coins and money seem to be an issue people come together over, just because I love collecting gold coins and various types of $100 notes, does not mean I have to sacrifice my leftist principles, but these habits attract the blue people.
I would say many on the left will welcome a $250 note as its not that valuable in today's money, and its convenient for big transactions, the right will love it as its a memento of the Trump era and as I recall other presidents got into other anniversaries, 1976 saw Ford and president to be Carter get on board with the Bicentenary, 1926 saw Coolidge put his face on the official half dollar. Grant apparently was part of the Centennial Exposition of 1876, and back in 1826, didn't 4 ex presidents all die on July 4th the 50th anniversary of the United States?
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Only John Adams and Thomas Jefferson died on July 4, 1826.
James Monroe dies on July 4, 1831.
Isn't coincedential they died on that day? Same with Monroe on the 55th anniversary.
Possibly as its before telegraphs that they may have died earlier, but no one decided to report their deaths until July 4th?
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
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