2 unidentified East Asian coins

HI,

here are the images of two coins, the images sent by a friend, but without measures, unfortunately. We would be glad for any help you can give about their origins, eras etc.





Thanks in advance
Ole

Second one is a variation of this coin: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19927.html

First one is China Empire - Xianfeng, Boo-fu, 20 Cash, Weight 1 Tael,  (I don't know ref number),
Rare

Merci Kommodore,

Remmelts #193, Chihli.

The first one is not very typical on the first face, too many signs and further more what are the "20" (+=) supposed to be? A year after the emperor's start of reign (Japan) or the denomination? Bizarre!

Thanks
Ole

That white thing reminds me of a cast fake I saw some time ago.

Quote: bbybugsFirst one is China Empire - Xianfeng, Boo-fu, 20 Cash, Weight 1 Tael,  (I don't know ref number),
Rare

There are 2 versions, another one ...... "weight 1 tael" be engraved on 4 corners.

They are both fake. The first is a cast copy (the most faked heavy cash, based on what I've seen), the second is a machine-struck copy.

The coin says 二十, 計重一兩 which means 20 cash, and it has a weight of 1 liang. It should seem confusing since 20 cash is not equivalent to 1 tael, but the weight is calculated, not nominal.

HI,

many thanks for your efforts.

Regards
Ole