As we are seeing a marauding rage of a teammember, I'd like to ask you to post your favorite historic medals or medallions, so we know what we lose after the criminal selfish act of one of our teammembers.
Of course only if you disagree with his shameful crime!
My favorite is:
Celebrates Maria Theresia as Her Majesty was donating significant resources to the University of Selmec to revive coin minting studies.
Maria Theresia was the unfortunate, sad mother of Maria Antoinette, who has been been beheaded on 16 October 1793 by a French executioner in a moment, just like Florino has been beheading the tokens section on Numista in a moment.
But... But... But.... I don't have any medals....
BUT. I join the peaceful protest by saying I very much like the medal that you posted. It is gorgeous.
I believe I have a few historical medal and I havent added them all in Numista so far, but heres two that are from different sides of the same war.
1. Medal from Denmark as a thank you to the volunteers from Norway and Sweden who helped the Danish in the war against Schleswig-Holstein.
More details here https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces53256.html
2. and here the second medal which is from Germany, dedicated to the brave German soldiers that sunk 2 Danish ships at Eckernförde in Schleswig-Holstein.
More information here https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces60255.html
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Quote: KartWayBut... But... But.... I don't have any medals....
BUT. I join the peaceful protest by saying I very much like the medal that you posted. It is gorgeous.
Always, welcome sister, you can also just grab one from the net ... you do not have to own it. I appreciate your post! Thanks... in the name of history and numismatic lovers as well.
and thanks Paul, Phil, to you as well... you guys could click some "LIKE" as well to make sure this never gets forgotten...
Quote: KartWayBut... But... But.... I don't have any medals....
BUT. I join the peaceful protest by saying I very much like the medal that you posted. It is gorgeous.
Here, you can have one of mine dear lady.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
but tiny object called a "medalet", that means that it is a small miniature medal.
it is not that beautiful, maybe a bit dull at first,
look at what it is now please and read the inscription on it.
Imagine my pride of having it; I am not British at all, but am proud the share that story of admiral Nelson, and his ship and being able to hold in my hands a piece of it... to be able touch that history...
this is exonumia
and this is the two aspects of what we are discussing really
should we have this item on this site?
and where should we be putting it?
"In 1905 the B.F.S.S. (British & Foreign Sailor's Society) was instrumental in the program of events for the Nelson Centennial. A fund was set up known as 'The Nelson Centenary Memorial Fund' and the King, who took a great interest in the Society, allowed his initials, E.R. VII, to be stamped on the souvenirs. The subscribers to the fund were able to acquire medals and badges, amongst other items, for the donations and collections. The larger medals/badges were given for 5 shillings and upwards, the small Victory charm (16.5mm) to everyone sending 1 shilling (=5p) and upwards (this medalet). Provision was also made for a Victory Shield (for £5. 5s., five guineas, now £5.25) for schools to award annually to a boy or girl for success. Copper was also used to make Nelson busts which were available for donations of £50. The remaining copper from H.M.S. FOUDROYANT was also acquired and used to provide HMS Victory souvenirs for the boys and girls of the Empire."
And here is another old message..... Oh, by the way, the entry for this medal is deleted from the site by someone.
think this may raise some French interest to the subject: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces52549.html
the pride of my French collection, a medal of Napoleon I, possibly the first to be uploaded to the site, having to go to "tokens" section:):):)
Where else was I to upload it? :):):)
Now it rests next to car wash tokens....:)
But I wish it was resting where it belongs; inside France, under France/exonumia, under France/exonumia/medals of France where it belongs. But no such place yet exists... This is the topic of all these messages I believe...
It is also going to be 5500th entry to the tokens section..... I had uploaded the 5000th only 2 months ago.... that is how fast that pile of exonumia we call "tokens section" is growing on this site...
The wording says: "The mountain should not overlook the valleys, as without the depths, there are no heights"
- qouted from Count Széchényi, the greatest Hungarian.
I guess his message is very valid in today's NUMISTA wars, as well!
While I'm in awe of the beauty of many of the medals and acknowledge the expertise of our friend Thespis26, I would have been fully in agreement with any efforts by the Numista team to remove the car wash tokens and other junk. It would perhaps have been wiser to have never accepted those entries in the first place but that ship has already sailed.
There isn't any real way to clean up the tokens section without pissing somebody off. However it could and should have been handled much differently. Simply deleting a significant chunk of the database without any explanation or consultation is just an outrage.
Given the rather Anglophobic nature of many of the French forum, it doesn't seem beyond the bounds of possibilities that some such individual might delete all the Conder tokens, or even the entire Great Britain section in a fit of chauvinism. Maybe someone upset over Palestine wants to remove all the Israel coins? It might seem far fetched and unlikely but who would have believed a month ago that one person would simply decide to delete thousands of tokens and medals?
I believe it was done for good reasons, the tokens section has long been recognized as a mess. If someone had proposed to restrict the entries to those issues which served a real need as a replacement for regular coinage e.g. Notgeld, Conders, Civil War tokens then I think the idea would have got a lot of support. Perhaps exceptions could be made for widely collected items such as transport and state tax tokens.
Surely it would have been possible to lay down criteria to include a comprehensive section for the medals, medallions, medalettes which were issued to nark a genuine historical event or have artistic merit while excluding the cynically overproduced junk struck purely to make a profit?
It has no historical significance or artistic merit and little appeal outside of a few die hard Numista fanbois. It was made simply to provide a quick cash grab for the owner who then promptly disappeared.
Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why this abomination is allowed to remain while items with real merit and often the work of a world class engraver are unwelcome?
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
As far as i heard the moderating team is currently discussing how this matter should be proceeded and will from then decide what should be in the tokens section and what should not.
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I went to and wrote in the French forum on this subject. https://en.numista.com/forum/topic34354.html The argument seems to continue, but no replies came to my last message. This shows that we only need one forum that could go English French together. Some people kindly translated my messages into French there, and many started replying bilingual, English and French together.
Anyway, it seems a lot of people in the other forum want the tokens section to go all together. At least that was the impression I got from there. The only problem is I still have not received any sensible explanation to why.
Create space in the site? - well they could have started deleting most of thrashy or out of date messages from the forum to obtain a lot of space, more than they need really.
Difficulty in organazing the tokens? - they could have asked for help and many would have voluntarily helped them to sort tokens section into something usable.
ugliness of the items in the tokens section? - this seems to be the case for many:) Come on, many of the proper coins are equally ugly, and some of the medals there which got deleted were beautiful. I think this is one subject where everyone has differing opinions to which there is no solution. It is childish to force any issue on this through ugliness. (including car wash tokens!!!)
You could read the messages and contribute to the discussion if you want...
What a waste of time really. We were discussing this problem last year and all of us offered solutions on how to organize the tokens section. We should have passed this way then, got the area organized by now and we should have been discussing now whether to have banknotes in the site:):):)
Heres my two cents. Its all on Xavier no one else, its his site. He needs to make up his mind. No one should be removing groups of anything, till he say so. Its not there site, its Xaviers site. Xavier can remove all the tokens or some. Its his site. It is what it is. Till Xavier comes back everything isjust drifting.
yours daryl
i have alot of token myself, and even collect them
While we keep struggling in a never ending discussion on tokens, WGC opens his worldtokengallery.com
I guess we missed the boat.
Time to switch to WCG?
I am already on WCG. I like the site. The only personal shortcoming for me is with regards to my type of collecting. I collect by type, date, mint mark and variety. For this purpose Numista is FABULOUS!
WCG only lists types. I use it to identify my types and for general identification purposes. The trading system on there is brilliant, outstanding and ingenious, but alas only by type.
I have corrosponded with Don Norris, the owner, on several occasions. A real gentleman and I would support him as far as possible. I also know that he is regisited on this site as well.
For that reason, I am sad that Numista is running in cicles right now. I like the site, the possibility to upoad, edit and add information, makes it, from my point of view, the best site for coins around. It suites my type of collecting to a T.
If you are reading this Xavier. We love the site, please let us help you to keep it as outstanding as it is.
Well, in the French forum discussion, at one point, it was kindly suggested to me (or lets say really to all of us) to take our medals and tokens elsewhere to other sites:):) I guess WCG is a good option. I just checked the site and it really does serve the purpose.
I am also a user of WCG but just like Philip, I moved to Numista to keep track of different verieties and years in my collection. To be able to add information here was also a great bonus for me, thus I could catalogue all my exonumia items. But, as they are being deleted now from this site, I guess it is time to move on.
As I have written at many posts before, I already have the World Coin books by Krause Publications. I think what these anti-medal/token/exonumia people want is a site comprimising only of that information which we already have in the books. It of course makes the referee's (Numista team as they call themselves) voluntary job very easy. When you upload a coin to this site with its KM number, they just check their book to see if the info is ok and they validate it. This leaves no space for further development.
On the other hand, what these "team members" have forgotten is, in our collections we have exonumia items as well. We have uploaded 10000 items already to here (add into the tokens section all notgeld, conder tokens, french city coins hidden inside countries). We have done that to share information, to keep track of our collections and some of us to swap these items. So there is a very strong user demand here to have this section and to further develop it.
Again as I wrote zillion times before, the tokens section could have been very easily organized and become managable. The reason it became a mess is because the users have not been provided enough varieties of categories to upload their items (there could have been a separate category for medals, one for fantasy/unrecognized countries etc); they were in fact asked to send every exonumia item to the tokens section which immeditely became a rubbish bin with a lot of jewels hidden in it.
Another problem was when tokens were being validated by refs, a lot of items with bad photos and missing information, or simply unidentified material were validated. A number of existing items were also entered by users and validated without checking. At one point I helped Kenny to identify or correct some and for some weeks we went on correcting around 10 items per day. I think we must have sorted through 400 or more existing records, while I added around 300 more from my collection.
We talked about organizing the whole lot (when there was only 5000 entries there) but that could not be done without dividing that section by creating new sections. Unfortunately some of "the team" did not want this done. So I stopped entering anything new or helping organization until a decision is made.
(in fact I also was moving my house at that time, so I had to pack everything and settle again).
Here we have probably the same people wanting to delete it all, one year past and a huge waste of time when we continue having same arguments over and over again.
This problem can not be resolved until "the team" solves it in itself. Some support the exonumia, some hate the idea. What can Xavier do when his team is not in concord about this problem?
It is just a thank you note after my imprisonment due to criticizing the above act.
I could not react for 10 days, so my thanks goes to all contributors.
I find Ben's words very ironic above. A bunch of guys who tacitly acknowledged the crime committed, now hold a council to solve the issue. great.
Ever thought of involving subject matter experts, like Thespis? - of course not.
They should not either. The 10 days imprisonment cleared my mind. We have the most competent and expert management, and we should not interfere with anything they do. They are just superheroes.
Quote: imrehA bunch of guys who tacitly acknowledged the crime committed, now hold a council to solve the issue. great.
Ever thought of involving subject matter experts, like Thespis?
There's this bloke on the interwebs who can read my mind. It's scary.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
I love these: ‘Medalet - HMS Victory’, which has three different types, including a variety. I love exonumia as much as coins. I haven't quite picked up on what is being protested against here, but it does not sound good for a dyed-in-the-wool EXONUMIA FAN LIKE ME!!!!!! Medals, medalets, tokens/ jetons of all descriptions. All are of interest from a Victoria Cross to a simple spacies token (Space Invaders free-standing machines - we call them ‘spacies’ here in NZ). “I am going to the Spacies to play my favourite spacies games.” The most common spacies token was the 20-cent piece. Of, course they are a dying (almost dead) institution. But one I will never forget, aided by the various tokens one can get from around the world.
My favourite New Zealand Medal: N#241481 The Reverse is especially beautiful, I think. I do not live in Otago, but it is a beautiful place, filled with early pioneer history.
When my mother was in hospice she kept asking for her Virgin Mary medallion, but I had no clue as to what she was asking for since I had never heard about or seen her with such a medallion. Later, when we sorted the estate - I did find it.
I did some research and found out that my mother was on a pilgrimage to Rome in the late 1950s, when she was a young woman. The image of her worn locket medallion shows a Vatican City 1 Lira coin from 1931. That was perhaps what she could afford at the time.
Those are all beautiful items, thanks for sharing. I too am an exonumia fan. All my additions to the catalog are exonomia.
We are fortunate that this debate ended in full blown exonumia acceptance. Every art medal, and also every flattened penny, telephone token, pachinko token, poker chip, as well as fantasy private issues all have a place in Numista now.
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
I also know that he is regisited on this site as well.
and so on … 
