Annam coins

I picked up two coins today from Annam. It was a region of Viet-nam. I don't see them either in the KM World Coins catalogue or in our catalogue.

I will identify them. One is a Dong from the Minh Mang period (1820 to 1841). It has a catalogue number: C.81.1 (although I don't know what catalogue that is).

The other is a coin from the Gia Long period (1802-1820). It looks like any non-descript cash coin but most and closely resemble C# 61.2.

I found a website that has these, but didn't want to use their pictures: http://art-hanoi.com/collection/annam/minhmang.html

Maybe the management would be interested in including these in the catalogue?

I have found the Krause equivalent of the coins that you refer to:

Craig#61.2 = KM#169a
Craig#81.1 = KM#182

UNITED DAI NAM - Cast Coinage

KM#169a   PHAN
Copper Alloys   Ruler: Gia Long   size varies 22.6-23.8mm
ND(1802-20)   G$0.85   VG$1.50   F$2.75   VF$4.50

KM#182   PHAN
Cast Copper Alloys   Ruler: Minh Mang   size varies 24.5-26mm
ND(1820-41)   G$1.00   VG$1.75   F$2.75   VF$4.50

If you can upload photos of both sides of your coins, together with the data above, you should be able to create the new listings yourself.

Best regards, Rick

Quote: radrick007I have found the Krause equivalent of the coins that you refer to:

Craig#61.2 = KM#169a
Craig#81.1 = KM#182

UNITED DAI NAM - Cast Coinage

KM#169a   PHAN
Copper Alloys   Ruler: Gia Long   size varies 22.6-23.8mm
ND(1802-20)   G$0.85   VG$1.50   F$2.75   VF$4.50

KM#182   PHAN
Cast Copper Alloys   Ruler: Minh Mang   size varies 24.5-26mm
ND(1820-41)   G$1.00   VG$1.75   F$2.75   VF$4.50

If you can upload photos of both sides of your coins, together with the data above, you should be able to create the new listings yourself.

Best regards, Rick

wow. great. you da man. (although I don't agree with those prices at all.)    
I will try to do the pics soon.

I see the catalogue already has the Minh Mang coin (KM# 182) and two members want to trade it (now three).

Anyway, that Vietnam site above says anyone can use its pictures. So here it is:

And this is a Vietnam Phan no date (Ruler Gia Long - 1802-20); KM#169a.

Annam was never a "region of Vietnam", rather it was a country occupying roughly the area now known as Vietnam and surrounding areas.

You can get a good idea of the region known as Annam from this old map:

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/photolib/maps/Map%20of%20Asia%201896.htm

Regards

Matt

Quote: Matt ProbertAnnam was never a "region of Vietnam", rather it was a country occupying roughly the area now known as Vietnam and surrounding areas.

You can get a good idea of the region known as Annam from this old map:

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/photolib/maps/Map%20of%20Asia%201896.htm

Regards

Matt

   The World Coins Catalogue (KM) lists these two coins under Viet-Nam. According to their description, after the French conquered Dai Nam (as the country was then called) it split the country into three parts, the South was Cochin; the North was Tonkin and the central was Annam.  Annam is where the Emperors were allowed to have their capital, Hue. Now we do call Tonkin a separate country for coin listing purposes, but not Annam for some reason. I could see it being called "Protectorate of Annam" just like we have "Protectorate of Tonkin."

Just read a bit more history on this region from Krause:

207 BC - Chinese general set up Kingdom of Nam-Viet on the Red River
111 BC - Kingdom overthrown by Chinese under Han Dynasty, became Chinese called Giao-Chi
             Name later changed to Annam or peaceful or pacified South
968 AD - Chinese rule ended, Vietnam (?) becomes independent
1407     - Chinese again invade
1428     - Chinese again driven out, country becomes independent and named Dai-Viet
1802     - Country renamed Dai Nam by Gia Long
1885     - French invade and split the country into 3 parts
            North becomes Protectorate of Tonkin, Central becomes Protectorate of Annam,
            South becomes Colony of Cochin China (as Matt's map of 1896)

Thus, the coins we were looking at in the beginning are from the country of Dai Nam.

(This is all according to Krause, so there is a possibility it's not entirely accurate!)