World coins chat: Brazil

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Brazil is the only Portuguese speaking country in South America and also by far the largest and most populous. It was discovered by Pedro Álvares Cabral in 1500. In 1822 it became an independent country, factually a continuation of the Portuguese dynasty who moved to Brazil to evade Napoleon. Emperor Pedro II was ousted in 1889 by a military coup and the country was subsequently run by various dictatorial regimes. In 1985 it became a full democracy and since the end of the 90's it has enjoyed considerable economic growth, and is part of the BRIC group of emerging economic powers. Recently Brazil was hit by corruption scandals, most notably within its largest oil company Petrobras.

Brazil used the same currency as Portugal, which was the Rei (plural Reis). In the early 19th century, 640 Reis was fixed to 17.92 grams of .917 silver (roughly equivalent of 3 shillings or 2/3 Peso). In 1834, it was devalued by 20% with all coins now showing 25% higher nominal value. 1200 Reis was now more or less equal to one Peso or Spanish Dollar. In 1846, it was devalued further by 37.5%, with 2000 Reis now equal to 1 Peso or Dollar or 5 French Francs.

The currency stayed stable during the reign of Pedro II, but started devaluing after the establishment of the republic. In 1906, it was devalued by 25% (2500 Reis to 1$), and in 1926 another 60% (6250 Reis to 1$). In 1933, this became 12,500 Reis to 1$ and in 1939 22,500 Reis to 1$.

In 1942, the Cruzeiro replaced the old Rei at a rate of 1000 to 1. Also this currency suffered from inflation and by 1967 the value had dropped to 2700 Cruzeiros to USD and it was replaced by the new Cruzeiro at again a 1000 to 1 rate.

The Cruzeiro lost value at the same pace. By the end of 1975 the rate was 9 Cruzeiros per Dollar and 7 years later more than 300 per $ and inflation accelerated even further. In 1986, the Cruzado replaced the Cruzeiro at the traditional 1000 to 1 rate. The exchange rate at that time was 14 Cruzados/$.

By 1989 that rate had changed to 1000 Cruzados/$, and again the Brazilians chopped off three zeroes and introduced the Novo Cruzado, which was renamed to Cruzeiro in 1990. Nothing stopped the high inflation, and by 1993 the value had dropped from parity with USD to 1335 Cr/$. Excellent reason to introduce yet another worthless Brazilian currency at a rate of 1000:1, the Cruzeiro Real. The Cruzeiro Real was allowed to float in the free market, and it sank in a year time to 2750 Cr$/USD.

In 1994, the Real replaced the Cruzeiro Real at a rate of 2750 to 1. This time the Brazilians did manage to stabilize their currency after skyrocketing hyperinflation since 1980. The Real's value did drop to 3R/$ by 2000 but after that slowly increased in value against the greenback, a phenomenon no Brazilian had ever experienced before. In 2011 the rate was even well below 2, but recent turmoil in Brazil and a strong USD has put the current BRL/USD rate to just above 3.

Brazil's eventful monetary history produced a wide variety of very nice collectable coins. I own 85 different types and I really like the coins from 1850 to 1942. I even enjoyed finding all the coins from the hyperinflation era (i call it the Steel Age as all coins were made of that) knowing what was going on at that time. It's not a surprise the initial Real coin series in 1994 was made of steel. Only by the time the currency proved solid enough other compositions were introduced.

As I wrote before, I really like the old Real coinage. They are pretty affordable compared to contemporary US or European coins and the designs and denominations are typical for Brazil.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/bresil-1.html
And now the CHF test:

Before 1834: 1 CHF = 160 Reis
2015: 1 CHF = 9,000,000,000,000,000,000 Reis.

That's a depreciation of 23.9% per year over 180 years. Would you put your savings in Real at a rate of 13%?
Quote: jokinenAnd now the CHF test:

Before 1834: 1 CHF = 160 Reis
2015: 1 CHF = 9,000,000,000,000,000,000 Reis.

That's a depreciation of 23.9% per year over 180 years. Would you put your savings in Real at a rate of 13%?
Not to mention the current economic and political debacle over there. In times of prosperity the crocks get even worse, with many high rank politicians filling their pockets with everything they can take out of PetroBras... reminds me of Mexico and Pemex being controlled by PRI syndicates. "We the oil workers give the PRI candidates millions and millions out of good will because we think they are the best for the country" (a worker opposing that statement would be thrown out of the syndicate).
Numista referee for the "Viceroyalty of the New Spain" (most of it).
History through coins.
Eli V
I imagine they've had to melt quite a few coins from previous issues every time they had a monetary reform, which makes me wonder how much of the original mintages survived.
HoH
The Cruzado series (1986-1989) are easy to find. The Nova Cruzado series (1989-1990) somewhat harder but nothing shocking. The Cruzeiro Real (1993-4) is also slightly more difficult but they do occasionally end up in bargain bins.

It's actually hard to find the brass Reis coins of late 1920's and 30's in good condition. They are often very worn and/or horribly cleaned. The older silvers appear relatively easy to find in VF/XF condition. At least, if I find any usually the condtion is acceptable.
Oh, I'm sure post-WWII issues are still quite easy to find despite any melting, just curious how many got melted because you never see that kind of information in WCC and it would give a more accurate picture.

I've coins from each of the last 6  periods, the oldest from 1969. Would be nice to add something from pre-WWII, but it doesn't sound that finding it in a bargain bin would be very likely. :)

1967~1970 - Cruzeiro Novo (1)
1970~1986 - Second Cruzeiro (4)
1986~1989 - Cruzado (4)
1989~1990 - Cruzado Novo (1)
1990~1993 - Third Cruzeiro (3)
1994~Today - Real (7)
HoH
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4049.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1049.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2253.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3817.html
and other 1 real coins by the same way...

F***! They all look like euros!

Just 25 centavos and 50 centavos apart...
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
A little correction!

Real=Royal  plural  Reais=Royals
Rei=King plural Reis=Kings

The words look the same but they're not!
Cents are money too!
Quote: DutchgalegoA little correction!

Real=Royal  plural  Reais=Royals
Rei=King plural Reis=Kings

The words look the same but they're not!
I did not know that. Wikipedia sent me on the wrong track there! I was always wondering why the old plural was different from the new one. I assumed it was language evolution, but now I know it was the Rei instead of Real!
Quote: jokinen
Quote: DutchgalegoA little correction!

Real=Royal  plural  Reais=Royals
Rei=King plural Reis=Kings

The words look the same but they're not!
I did not know that. Wikipedia sent me on the wrong track there! I was always wondering why the old plural was different from the new one. I assumed it was language evolution, but now I know it was the Rei instead of Real!
I only knew that because of my Portuguese roots otherwise I would make the same mistake.

By the way, the coins from D.Pedro IV of Portugal, D.Pedro I of Brazil are extremely hard to find. It's because he mint coins as king of Portugal and/or Emperor of Brazil.
Cents are money too!
My Brazilian collection starts in 1864 with a silver 500 Reis. I've seen only very worn older Brazilian coins (including Pedro I ones) and I am quite picky on condition.
Quote: jokinenMy Brazilian collection starts in 1864 with a silver 500 Reis. I've seen only very worn older Brazilian coins (including Pedro I ones) and I am quite picky on condition.
My older Brazilian coin is from 1816; a 960 Réis, which is an over-strike over what appears to be a Mexican, other Colonial or maybe even an Spanish 8 Reales coin, which can barely tell from the remaining letters in the flat areas of the over-punch. A pretty curious piece, which I got from my mom after she died, as she left me her small coin collection, with several surprises from around the globe. Which surely got to her from my Great-grand-father, who was a sailor who traveled around the globe (at least we are sure he got to China, India and the Russian Empire during his voyages).

And my Great-grand-mother was French, so there you have it, I am 1/16 French  (;0  And one of my sisters lives in France and she has two French children, so "what goes around comes around".
Numista referee for the "Viceroyalty of the New Spain" (most of it).
History through coins.
Eli V
Quote: erdvilla
Quote: jokinenMy Brazilian collection starts in 1864 with a silver 500 Reis. I've seen only very worn older Brazilian coins (including Pedro I ones) and I am quite picky on condition.
My older Brazilian coin is from 1816; a 960 Réis, which is an over-strike over what appears to be a Mexican, other Colonial or maybe even an Spanish 8 Reales coin, which can barely tell from the remaining letters in the flat areas of the over-punch. A pretty curious piece, which I got from my mom after she died, as she left me her small coin collection, with several surprises from around the globe. Which surely got to her from my Great-grand-father, who was a sailor who traveled around the globe (at least we are sure he got to China, India and the Russian Empire during his voyages).

And my Great-grand-mother was French, so there you have it, I am 1/16 French  (;0  And one of my sisters lives in France and she has two French children, so "what goes around comes around".
We all are a big Earth family!
Cents are money too!
Quote: jokinenMy Brazilian collection starts in 1864 with a silver 500 Reis. I've seen only very worn older Brazilian coins (including Pedro I ones) and I am quite picky on condition.
Within a couple of weeks I'm gonna pay a visit to friends in Oporto - Portugal where I do always buy interesting coins for a friendly price.
Portuguese kingdom coins and D.Pedro IV  and/or D.Pedro I of Brazil will have my attention.
Cents are money too!
Pedro I coins aren´t all that hard to find, the copper in low grades are very cheap. The expensive ones are the silver and gold ones.
Nowadays the prices are about that:
80 Réis, Rio mint, Copper, (without counterstamp) Fine - 10 Reais (roughly 3 dollars)
960 Réis, Rio mint, (the smaller silver coins are even more expensive!) VF - 250 Reais (roughly 75 dollars)

(from my collection)
40 Réis 1826-R with 20 general counterstamp
(from my collection)
960 Réis 1824-R (it may be a bit hard to see the date kkk) struck over 8 Reales from Lima (181?)

Coins from Bahia (Ae, Ag, Au), Cuiabá (Ae) and Goiás (Ae) are more expensive than Rio coins. Coins without counterstamp (see the 1st picture) are a bit more expensive than countermarked coins. Here we call this countermark of "Carimbo geral", in english it translates as general counterstamp. There are also other counterstamps, just as the Ceará, Maranhão, Pará (very similar to the general counterstamp), Piratini (all this countermarks appeared in the period of the regency of Pedro II, except for the general counterstamp all of them were struck in the provinces as result of a lack of control from the Empire).
Actually all the countermarked coins must be listed as Pedro II coins because they were countermarked in 1834 and 1835 (except for the general counterstamp that was struck between 1835 and 1837)
Some dates can be very expensive, like the 1828-R 960 Réis that can reach 5.000 Dollars
An addition:
"Real" can also mean real
I can't send the full resolution picture of the countermarks, so here´s the link to access it:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PF9w1c9sIug/VdJdF2wIF6I/AAAAAAAAAtI/dwjHzTILf1s/s640/Sem%2BT%25C3%25ADtulo-1.jpg
Quote: "Dutchgalego"​A little correction!

​Real=Royal plural Reais=Royals
​Rei=King plural Reis=Kings

​The words look the same but they're not!

​And just another correction and a summary:

Brazil current currency: Real (plural Reais) which means either real or royal

Brazil ancient currency: Réis (only plural as there has never been something such as 1 "réis" coin or note). The word Réis (with the little accent on top of "e") doesn't mean anything in Portuguese other than the old currency.

The word Reis without the accent on top of the "e" means Kings and it is pronounced like "rays" in English.

I am Brazilian by the way and have a very good collection from Brazil starting on 1863.
Quote: "Dutchgalego"​A little correction!

​Real=Royal plural Reais=Royals
​Rei=King plural Reis=Kings

​The words look the same but they're not!

​that's correct. I was thinking about this when I saw your post
Trade only within the US.
Hello,

Can any one tell me please what DECRETO DE 1870 reffers to, for example on 2000 Reis 1889 coin?

Thank you.

Razvan
There was a decree made on September 3rd 1870 defining the
size, weight and amount of silver in coins made of that metal.
So it states the coin is made according to that standard.
From the third monetary system of the Brazilian Empire.
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

I know this is an old post, but I wanted to go ahead and add to it… currently working on my Brazil collection (born there but only lived there for a year).

 

Per Numista's count, I have 199 Brazilian coins, from the 8 most recent periods (nothing from 1654-1799). 55 are silver, rest are base metal. A few counter-marked (those are pretty cool) and my oldest is 1824.

 

I think I have almost exhausted all of the “swappers” in the U.S… wish it was easier to swap with people in Brazil!

I found this a few months back and thought that this may be a good place to reference it…

N#3974

 

Also, I've had this coin in my collection for some years…

N#3874

 

Older Brazilian coins seem to be quite difficult to get hold of in the UK, so despite the somewhat damaged and worn condition, I'm quite pleased to own them.

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

Great coins! I love the counter-stamped ones. Similarly hard to find in the U.S  - the benefit is sometimes when you do find them, they are very reasonable in price!

DutchgalegoA little correction!

Real=Royal  plural  Reais=Royals
Rei=King plural Reis=Kings

The words look the same but they're not!

We have no singular denomination for Réis, so it´s always plural.
However, if we had, the singular form would be Real.
Why, today, we use Reais instead of Réis? The language evolved.

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