Ragusa, Hungary or Hungarian States? (or something else?) [solved]

Any help would be appreciated to id these two coins (they seem the same coin type). They look a LOT like the older Ragusa coin in Numista, but with the big difference that on Christ's side the circle has Omega on both sides.

Date on the left one looks 18X# or 13X# (last digit is almost illegible), I think X stands for 10, so 181# or 131#

Date on the right one looks more like 1214, might be 1814. This is what makes hard to spot them, as both dates that could be are in similar periods.

On the Bishop side it clearly writes RAGVSII (From Ragusa). As I said, they look an awful lot like the older Ragusa coin in Numista, but those Omegas where stoppers for me on adding them as that one.

Oh, and both have R mark on Bishop side. Pretty similar to that region coins.

Christ side:

Bishop side:

One of them is this one:
http://www.allnumis.com/coins-catalog/ragusa/republic-1358-1808/1-grosetto-dinar-1617-21-23124
EDIT: the second on the christ side and the first on the bishop side
corrections welcome

Quote: eitan190One of them is this one:
http://www.allnumis.com/coins-catalog/ragusa/republic-1358-1808/1-grosetto-dinar-1617-21-23124
EDIT: the second on the christ side and the first on the bishop side
corrections welcome

Oh, so they are from Ragusa, need to add them to catalog then  

Ragusa has nothingto do with Hungary or Hungarian States. It was an Italian State which is in nowadays Croatia with as its main city Dubrovnik.

Quote: apukingRagusa has nothingto do with Hungary or Hungarian States. It was an Italian State which is in nowadays Croatia with as its main city Dubrovnik.

But... I got them on a mixed lot of Ragusa, Hungary and Hungarian States... so...

Ragusa was used by the ottomans to trade with Europe so their currency was quite popular in the area. They've been found in hoards even as far east as the Romanian black sea coast.
The most common European coins here in the late middle ages early modern period were venetian then ragusan then Dutch. (with HRE, Spanish and ottoman being relatively constant)