Quote: "Fluke"Lastly, I think a referee should be chosen rather than them asking to be a referee. people who ask for a raised position are normally the wrong type to have on board, with the exception of a minority who are on the ball.
I agree on this one (even though I'm pretty eager myself to take on new challenges and become a referee for countries with a larger coinage than those I already have. This is mainly because I love this site, and I love to learn and research to get new knowledge). The question is though, how will these people be chosen? Do we need to have some kind of "competition" for each of the 401 countries and territories in the list? (and yes, that's how many it is right now). It would take years and years until every spot is filled.
So I guess it's better to give everyone who wants to be a referee a fair chance. Then, if they're not fit for the position or abuse their position in any way, they should, of course, be removed.
Hello everyone !
I want to express about my part : Ancient Rome.
In fact, I took this part a few months ago because Tetricus (the referent) was gone. So I wanted help Numista.
When I started, I had about 300 verification requests.
Knowing that the Ancient Rome records are definitely one of the hardest to verify. Lots of coins, countries and periods without speaking of provincial Roman coins (+ English translation). I make between 30 minutes and 1 hour for each record, and as you say that it is a work of titans (knowing I've published more than 200 sheets since I started). Also note that I have a job, an Internet shop and a home to maintain. It is therefore extremely difficult for me to respond to all requests quickly. I could do it without thinking and accept all records without looking at them (as some people do) but it is not my goal and would not help anyone in the end ...
In any case, know that I do my best and I will answer every messages you sent me. Besides, it's always a pleasure to be able to help :)
Well, I want to apologize again for the delay and hope to respond to requests as quickly as possible ;)
Kind regards,
"And sorry for my bad english !"
Kev (Darkcid)
Quote: "Darkcid"Hello everyone !
I want to express about my part : Ancient Rome.
In fact, I took this part a few months ago because Tetricus (the referent) was gone. So I wanted help Numista.
When I started, I had about 300 verification requests.
Knowing that the Ancient Rome records are definitely one of the hardest to verify. Lots of coins, countries and periods without speaking of provincial Roman coins (+ English translation). I make between 30 minutes and 1 hour for each record, and as you say that it is a work of titans (knowing I've published more than 200 sheets since I started). Also note that I have a job, an Internet shop and a home to maintain. It is therefore extremely difficult for me to respond to all requests quickly. I could do it without thinking and accept all records without looking at them (as some people do) but it is not my goal and would not help anyone in the end ...
In any case, know that I do my best and I will answer every messages you sent me. Besides, it's always a pleasure to be able to help :)
Well, I want to apologize again for the delay and hope to respond to requests as quickly as possible ;)
Kind regards,
"And sorry for my bad english !"
Kev (Darkcid)
Personally I'm getting scared just as soon as I'm getting near an ancient coin. It's soo much to think about, to research and you need a lot of knowledge to deal with these. So I am just amazed that someone actually took the "job" as the referee for this whole section.
I don't know how you work when you validate the coins, but maybe it's could be an idea to take in a co-worker? Someone who could help you along the way, if the requests are overwhelming? This person could validate but you have the last word in the validation just to dubbel check that everything's in order and the information is correct?
This is just a proposal. I know that many of us prefers to work alone, but some also prefers to have a second referee as an helping hand. So you can alsway throug out the question in the forum if someone's interested, and then the two of you could decided how to distribute the work.
Since I found some RIC links (not all but up to the #6) I'm able to help. However I think I would require his help as well as my files seem to be taken from old versions. By this way I would take a 1st look to help validating and ask him to check a few elements like the final reference (which is the most moving one)
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Quote: "Euromunt"Longest waiting time is a new variable, top 15 of countries without a referee in terms of oldest request*:
Malay Peninusla
Madagascar
Indonesia
Nepal
China-Republic
England
Curaçao
Malaysia
United Arab Emirates
Judea
Poland
Kuwait
Yemenite States
Afghanistan
Byzantium Empire
Note that there are no statistics available for the average waiting time per country for a request to be verified. Furthermore there are also no statistics on average age of a pending request per country, so I don't know the countries of which the pending requests are on average the oldest.
I would like to volunteer to referee Nepal. Sad to see it right up there in terms of backlogs. Some of my requests are also pending for a long time.
Hello ngdawa !
It's a very good idea
Unfortunately few people are able to help me for this part.
I know 3 or 4 people on Numista but not much more.
I will discuss with Xavier to see if there are opportunities.
Maybe someone could do the translations in English or could complete incomplete records.
Chomp-master, thank's for your help;)
I would not hesitate to contact you if I need you !
I'll let you know as soon as possible :)
See you very soon !
Kev
Quote: "geraltttt82" I'm waiting from 17 September for acceptation of few coins that I added.
If only members would stop with writing such (private) messages we would be able to process much more requests a day. The backlog is currently at 1400 by the way, we try to verify all of them as soon as possible although the backog is only growing..
I wrote here my "private" message, not to You personaly, so dont waste your precious time and dont read it, just go and "process" faster. My "private" message its not the reason that it looks like nobody cares here. I made topic on 7th of November: "...just wondering, if there any chance that I could apply for "numista referee" and help more formally?" and how many people responded from numista team ? ZERO. Best solution delete this topic or all the topics if You have such a problem with it.
...and on 28 december Chomp-master wrote: "In order to help us registering such backlogs, you would be welcome to give us here your issues with your own change requests if you're not a referee..." So what is the problem ?
Quote: "geraltttt82"I wrote here my "private" message, not to You personaly, so dont waste your precious time and dont read it, just go and "process" faster. My "private" message its not the reason that it looks like nobody cares here. I made topic on 7th of November: "...just wondering, if there any chance that I could apply for "numista referee" and help more formally?" and how many people responded from numista team ? ZERO. Best solution delete this topic or all the topics if You have such a problem with it.
...and on 28 december Chomp-master wrote: "In order to help us registering such backlogs, you would be welcome to give us here your issues with your own change requests if you're not a referee..." So what is the problem ?
For what countries would you like to become referee ? As we already have all statistics there is no need to report your backlogs anymore.
Anyway, there is another topic in this section which is more useful for potential referees.
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Quote: "chomp-master"I did. But it seemed to be considered as useless.
It was a very good idea, but as team members already had all statistics ready (which you couldn't have known), it was no longer needed to gather the information.
I'll have to send you a special request (an issue with a coin which has probably been misclassified by a team member with a pic and a French rename).
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Guys, how about a compromise? why don't you keep the change request submission off one week and open the next. That way referees will have that off week to work on them and members can submit changes on the on weeks. One week to wait is not all that bad for members, and a week off is a good amount of time for referees to work without being disturbed by incessant requests.
We should see if KennyG come-back would help solving the backlog. If needed we may more nominate new referees first.
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Nothing is going to change until we have a permanent, not temporary solution to the issue. And there will be no solutions (permanent or temporary) until Xavier comes back.
New referees can be part of the solution but only if they are not absent for several weeks. Some of the countries with many pending requests have a referee but are not being processed. I had some pending requests for several month until the referee appeared and accepted it.
For me closing the possibility to contribute to the catalog is totally wrong! We need more contribution not less. Also many change requests are processed very quickly (many referees are not very busy with their country/countries). So I don't understand this asking.
I'm not orange and also in other things I'm not a Donald at all. DonChori like Don Felipe or Doña María, por favor.
Take Rome (ancient): there is a single active referee trying to do his best with both Rome and Roman provinces. Most new files are in very low quality and require to be checked, corrected and filled when necessary.
What should be the solution? Replacing him? No. But naming new people to help diring the validation process, yes.
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
That is completely right. In the past six days, I submitted hunderds of requests - to aproximately 15 countries.
Results: 3 coins added, 17 years added, 394 coins edited, 982 years edited
Only two referees managing two countries did not respond in that time. I do not blame them for being not fast for me , just saying that many referees do the right work. And they do it fast. Although, there are many countries without a referees, which is causing this problems with catalogue.
PS: Rome should have at least 3 referees, as all other medieval states.
All medieval states like France - Feudal, German states or Swiss cantons?
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Of course, as managing a small medieval state but with no backlog...
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Hello !
We are two referees for Ancient Rome but I'm alone
I try to check between 5 and 10 askings per day but it's very difficult !
I have now 48 requests, so I hope finish them in this month
Chomp-Master, thanks for your support
Kév
I believe that nobody there would place even part of the blame for request backlog on you Darkcid. Managing Rome is something I personally could not even imagine.
Finally this was a temporary trouble... But still need to improve the referencing system to avoid such backlog again.
Which countries are most concerned? Still the same ones?
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
1.First, I`d like to say, that all members must be more patient with verification of coins which are hammered, medieval, ancient and so on. For example, coin should have weight 8 g, and referee received request on 12 gramms. What he must to do? He has to search through catalogs, then Internet, then auction lists, and soooo on... and finally probably he willnot find such coin. SO, what he can to do? Maybe requested weight is a weight of contemporary fake coin? Such examples are plenty in medieval, hammered, cast and so oncoins.
2. Probably its looks offensive, but, I think better if new members willnot have rights to send requests on modifications or validations online. If new member wants to add new coin he can put pictures and main information in topic of forum. Same with modifications.
3. I can add Madagascar
4. I saw backlog. What can I say? 87 requests on the top country. Everyday I receiving about 20 requests. 99%of them are very easy to validate. I dont think that 87 modification request is too much When i dont have a time on weekends, Im finding about 50 requests on Monday. so what? I make my " job" in some time, its pleasure to me.
5. I think we dont force refferees to validate requests in a few days. But admins must check, - if refferee is not active for month or so, admin must put these stats in topic to alarm all.
6. Close a total catalog is not a solve ( my opinion) . Because active referees have active modifiers , and members who permanently working and co-operating with refferees will "banned" . After catalog became still open , we will have a tsunami of requests, which will born new double and triple backlog.
Quote: "chomp-master"Finally this was a temporary trouble... But still need to improve the referencing system to avoid such backlog again.
Which countries are most concerned? Still the same ones?
I don't know about anyone else but I have stopped submitting additions to the catalog. I don't mind the wait for validation, but I don't want to cause any extra stress on the team. Not an ideal solution, as I am a fairly active contributor, but until we get a handle on things I will let it be.
Quote: "jadejackal"I don't know about anyone else but I have stopped submitting additions to the catalog. I don't mind the wait for validation, but I don't want to cause any extra stress on the team. Not an ideal solution, as I am a fairly active contributor, but until we get a handle on things I will let it be.
I'm not a catalog administrator but I guess well made contributions are no problem for the catalog administrators; just those where they have to adjust and correct the information cause "trouble". As I said before I think we need more contribution, not less- at least we want the catalog to improve, don't we? So for me it's not an option to stop contributing and my requests are constantly validated, so I think I'm not wrong...
I'm not orange and also in other things I'm not a Donald at all. DonChori like Don Felipe or Doña María, por favor.
, just saying that many referees do the right work. And they do it fast. Although, there are many countries without a referees, which is causing this problems with catalogue.
