Very strange coins. The actual date of striking is on the coin, so in stead of year lines with the month of striking, we even need year lines with the actual day of striking. I know it's absurd, but a coin with a big 23 March on it is not the same as a coin with a big 24 March on it.
They need seperated because of different designs, and the fact that one type is yellow metal ring around white metal center, while the other is white metal ring around a yellow metal center.
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I noticed the KM#, and I also thought SCWC had gone over the line in this case! I suppose that the contributor (the person responsible for Turkey in KM) went too far using his competence to give a jeton a KM#!
When I say, that we should follow the standards of Krause, I still think it should be the case! I'm fully aware the SCWC are not 100% consistent, and I can live with that, since we have nothing better.
I went to the 6th floor museum in Dallas earlier this year, and there was a machine where I for 25 cents could strike a 1 cent kennedy metal round..... at the air and space museum in DC, it's the same, but the print is probably of a space cabin!
For me that kind of round metal things, which you personally ask to be striken, are jetons or tokens. If now there is a special Turkish token, which has gotten a KM#, so be it, the world still stands and so on, but it's not really consistent, is it?
Hmmm...based on your ridiculous contention that because you strike it yourself it must be a jeton because you made one in Dallas, then all those Australian dollars with marks are jetons? I really am at a loss that you compare a Dallas museum token machine to the National Mint of Turkey striking a coin for visitors. Except in this matter I have been impressed with your numismatic acumen. You add a great deal to this website. I have found great variety in my collection because of you. So this is a bit of a let down. Enjoy your jeton from Dallas. I will enjoy my coin from thr Turkish mint.
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A strange one indeed. Could it be actually used as a payment? If not, I would go for a token. If yes, I would (albeit very unwillingly) accept it as a coin.
The distinction is simple: the Turkish piece is a coin because the government of Turkey designated it as one. The US government hasn't applied a similar designation to museum medals (even ones struck at the mint), so they aren't coins.
The train left the station on "could it be used as a payment" decades ago. Otherwise, we could move thousands of NCLT pieces to tokens.
It did not, even those silver and gold commemoratives could be used as a payment, while only fool would do that. If this could have been payable for bread, guns or anything else, it is a coin. If a local street vendor would not have taken them, they are tokens.
Many modern NCLT are never seen in their nominal country of issue. They wouldn't be recognized by street vendors there. By your definition, they are tokens as well.
Yes, if I would try to pay for my lunch with this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces68385.html
They would surely thought that I am crazy, would call the police, which would call to the bank, which would tell them that it actually is legal tender, and then they would be obliged to take it as a payment.
Lawfully, they are coins. Legal tender coins. If anybody chooses regard them as tokens, be as they like, but legal tender is still legal tender.
No buisness is forced to take your payment (legal tender) in defined limits.
For example you want to pay your bill of 10 € with 1000 cents ... no thank you!
... you want to pay it with a 500 € banknote ... no thank you!
then you want to pay it with 10 € NCLT coin the cashier mostlikely doesn't know anything about and much less has a place for it in his cash register ... no thank you, I will now call the police on you, you f***ing weirdo!
Ugh, I forgot how Numismatics are punctual. Ok, not local vendor then, but a National Bank will be forced to take it. And exchange it for a "normal" money. Point stands the same.
And since the Turkish government defined KM 1139 as legal tender, anyone foolish enough to take one to the national bank could have exchanged it for its face value equivalent in other coins or notes (about $0.60 US at time of issue). Sjoelund could not do the same at the Federal Reserve with his 6th floor medal, nor could I with my San Francisco Mint medal.
I just found it. I was using digits instead of spelled out words...and im on my phone and not a computer...sorry...I guess they are not going to seperate the types though...that I dont understand...one type has a bronze or brass center, while the other type has a bronze or brass ring...
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Juliocoins how can we fix this? I have sent a second request to you for assistance. I thought to try creating it myself but am unclear how to go about the big job of years and months and days.
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Ok, not local vendor then, but a National Bank will be forced to take it. And exchange it for a "normal" money. Point stands the same.