Why are they listed with coins when they are a medallic issue that might be token if you strech your inagination? They have no denomination and no KM number. Shouldnt they be moved to tokens? Thoughts?
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They carry no face value...they are medals awarded at shooting events. I think they might share a common silver weight and finess...but thats it. Well...I think the 1855 is denominated...the rest are just medallic issues...no denomination. I think they should be moved to their home in tokens.
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or something different? All of the ones like the above link are denominated often at 5 francs. These are usually what shooting talers are... I'd leave them as they are.
not that I think Wikipedia is a be all and end all, but it categorizes the shooting Thaler for what it was a denominated coin matching the standard issue in size and weight and used as coinage during the festival as well as after.
There is a difference between these and shooting medals which are not denominated and weren't meant as coinage.
With all due respect where are they denominated? Wikipedia over Krause? If they are only currency for the time of the match then God forbid we have to include the Hawaiian Maui dollars or the local tokens good for a dollar for a year. Because they have a similar claim to inclusion..
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Quote: "Oklahoman"With all due respect where are they denominated? Wikipedia over Krause? If they are only currency for the time of the match then God forbid we have to include the Hawaiian Maui dollars or the local tokens good for a dollar for a year. Because they have a similar claim to inclusion..
What do you mean where are they denominated? The coins themselves are denominated like on the coin it says 5 francs (in most cases). I posted the link for you to a Swiss site with pictures of each. Also they were indeed used after the shooting festivals and were accepted as payment. Specifically, the ones issued in the early 20th century Fribourg '34 and Lucerne '39 had legal tender status. I don't think the maui dollars are a good analogy
Like I said there is a difference between Shooting Thalers in my opinion meriting inclusion as coins (If I am not mistaken they can be found in the Krause 20th C. “Standard Catalog of World Coins) and Shooting Medals which are medals and therefore should be in the token section.
At the end of the day each may have his opinion but I don't think there will be many people interested in moving them anywhere though I may be wrong.
Even if they don't have the value written on them they have a defined metal value of 5 Franken.
If you go with no numeral no coin we will have to move manny pennies, half pennies, medieval coins as well as indian and islamic ones.
I did not meant that as a rule. These are only starter questions to ask when I do my homework (of identifying and thinking about placing them into my collection).
Well. Krause is my standard. They have no KM number for a reason. And they are not in any current Krause catalog but the unusual catalog for a reason. But I can agree with my fellow collectors that maybe they should be left be.
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Quote: "Oklahoman"And they are not in any current Krause catalog but the unusual catalog for a reason.
They were at least in the Krause SCWC 1801-1900, 7th edition, 2013 (I don't have a newer copy yet). Or do you consider 2013 not current enough anymore?
Holy cow! This is not a hill im going to die on! Yes, a 2013 catalog isnt new enough when the 2017 is just months away from release. Page 1067 and page 2078 of the 21st and 20th century catalogs of 2015 state in oversize print in all caps: SHOOTING FESTIVAL TALERS ARE LISTED IN UNUSUAL WORLD COINS 6TH EDITION OR AT WWW.NUMISMASTER.COM
Even when they include them in the catalog they were never accorded a KM number. But hey, I conceeded! I love Numista! And I certianly agree that Swiss Shooting talers deserve a place in a catalog if they are going to include Hutt River and Northern Marianna Islands. The swiss talers are beautiful, thats for sure.
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Quote: "Oklahoman"I love Numista! And I certianly agree that Swiss Shooting talers deserve a place in a catalog if they are going to include Hutt River and Northern Marianna Islands. The swiss talers are beautiful, thats for sure.
I think even you would have to admit that Hutt River is totally different than the Swiss Shooting Talers.
Shooting medals and thalers A shooting thaler is a silver coin in thaler size minted to commemorate a Shooting festival or free shooting in Switzerland. Swiss Schützentaler are the silver coins equal in size and weight to the Swiss 5 francs coin. These coins were not intended as legal tender, even though they were issued by the federal mint with a nominal face value. Because they were minted to the official specifications of the 5 francs coin, they were nevertheless circulated de facto.
