Some help with a Livonia coin [solved]

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stefandobyy

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Posted: 23 Mart 2016, 21:02 #

I have this coin from Livonia :

It looks a lot like this one : https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces41643.html but there it says it's silver , but as you can tell from the picture mine does not look like silver at all , but the rest looks identical .
Can some of you give me a hand with this ?

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Posted: 23 Mart 2016, 21:31 #

In the SCWC, billion is listed under the generic term of "Silver"

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stefandobyy

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Posted: 23 Mart 2016, 21:41 #

To me it looks a lot like copper.

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Posted: 24 Mart 2016, 00:16 #

That's because billon is mostly copper ... anything under 50% can be considered billon.

stefandobyy

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Posted: 24 Mart 2016, 08:22 #

Also , can you tell the year of the coin ? I'm not sure about it ...

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Posted: 24 Mart 2016, 08:48 #

Too small pictures to tell the year.

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PetrusAscanus

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Posted: 24 Mart 2016, 16:43 #

The link you provided is indeed your coin.
The only thing I see is a 5 for the date.

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stefandobyy

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Posted: 24 Mart 2016, 17:25 #

I don't know about the 5 ..I can't see it , I see a 2

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Posted: 24 Mart 2016, 19:02 #

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stefandobyy

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Posted: 24 Mart 2016, 19:07 #

Oh , don't know why , I thought that was a 2

The think before It can be a 4...?

PetrusAscanus

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Posted: 24 Mart 2016, 23:07 #

yes, could be
here is a (16)45:
https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/minerva_coins/99/product/swedenlivonia_under_swedenchristina_1645_bi_solidus/430085/Default.aspx

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Posted: 25 Mart 2016, 00:34 #

Petrus, in your picture you can see 45 after RIG.
In the original picture I can only see a 5 after RIG. There is no room for a 4 between the point and the 5:

I could believe a 5 could stand for (160)5, but 1605 doesn't exist and I can hardly believe the 5 would stand for (16)5(0).

PetrusAscanus

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Posted: 25 Mart 2016, 07:43 #

Yes indeed, that is what puzzles me too.
It seems there are many varieties for this coin.
I have no explanation for the metal under the dot between G an the 5

http://coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq/coins?main_coin=18501
https://www.google.be/search?q=solidus+1605+livonia&biw=1261&bih=685&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQyInFmdvLAhUEtxQKHZUiCMYQ_AUIBygC#tbm=isch&q=solidus+sweden+livonia&imgrc=wj7QSSRb4A_XIM%3A

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stefandobyy

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Posted: 25 Mart 2016, 07:44 #

Yes , could be 1650 , I forgot to say this , but the seller sold it to me as 1650 , but I wanted to be sure . I can be (16)5(0).

stefandobyy

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Posted: 25 Mart 2016, 07:45 #

https://www.google.be/search?q=solidus+1605+livonia&biw=1261&bih=685&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQyInFmdvLAhUEtxQKHZUiCMYQ_AUIBygC#tbm=isch&q=solidus+sweden+livonia&imgrc=WEOvrQA88Q4H3M%3A

You can see the 0 from 50 here.

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Posted: 25 Mart 2016, 09:15 #

Yes, here is 1650 clearly written as (16)50 and not as (16)5(0). So I really don't know where the 5 stands for on your coin:

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Posted: 1 Nis 2016, 22:27 #

fake coin with the date 12, similar to Riga's solid of Swedish Queen Christina Vasa, probably minted in Suceava, Romania, like http://monederomanesti.cimec.ro/falsuri.htm

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stefandobyy

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Posted: 2 Nis 2016, 09:41 #