Now you have three Yemens only. I know there are other 5 Yemen states listed now. Tens of Italian states and probably over hundred of German states.
Plus Bohemia ones (another 40) French ones (roughly another 40) 7 more just in Lorraine. Greek cities? Islamic states? Mongol states? There are just too many and I am sure some of you would like to reverse it once it has been done.
Still, we debated something like user-frozen country list. So anyone could set up its own and use it as a default. But this was just an idea, nobody can promise this.
I entirely agree that we don't want to have all the subdivisions on the main page, because it will be hell to try to navigate through hundreds upon hundreds of names to find basic countries. If you think your coin is from India, you click ► India, and only then will the 150 (?) smaller kingdoms and sultanates show up.
So, I think this change is a very good idea, but many lines will be saved if you do this:
|FLAG| ►South Yemen
And when you click on it:
|FLAG| V South Yemen
|FLAG| South Arabia
|FLAG| Yemen ─ People's Democratic Republic
In other words, the line ► See sub-sections could be removed. Why not click on ► South Yemen directly since that's what you want to see? Whether or not someone knows that there are subsections before clicking doesn't matter; they'll see it when they click on it (and most of us already know the meaning of ►).
Quote: "Camerinvs"I entirely agree that we don't want to have all the subdivisions on the main page, because it will be hell to try to navigate through hundreds upon hundreds of names to find basic countries. If you think your coin is from India, you click ► India, and only then will the 150 (?) smaller kingdoms and sultanates show up.
So, I think this change is a very good idea, but many lines will be saved if you do this:
|FLAG| ►South Yemen
And when you click on it:
|FLAG| V South Yemen
|FLAG| South Arabia
|FLAG| Yemen ─ People's Democratic Republic
In other words, the line ► See sub-sections could be removed. Why not click on ► South Yemen directly since that's what you want to see? Whether or not someone knows that there are subsections before clicking doesn't matter; they'll see it when they click on it (and most of us already know the meaning of ►).
Not a good idea,
For example if you search (ctrl+f) for Scotland, it will be hidden under United Kingdom and you might not find it.
Quote: "Camerinvs"I entirely agree that we don't want to have all the subdivisions on the main page, because it will be hell to try to navigate through hundreds upon hundreds of names to find basic countries. If you think your coin is from India, you click ► India, and only then will the 150 (?) smaller kingdoms and sultanates show up.
So, I think this change is a very good idea, but many lines will be saved if you do this:
|FLAG| ►South Yemen
And when you click on it:
|FLAG| V South Yemen
|FLAG| South Arabia
|FLAG| Yemen ─ People's Democratic Republic
In other words, the line ► See sub-sections could be removed. Why not click on ► South Yemen directly since that's what you want to see? Whether or not someone knows that there are subsections before clicking doesn't matter; they'll see it when they click on it (and most of us already know the meaning of ►).
Not a good idea,
For example if you search (ctrl+f) for Scotland, it will be hidden under United Kingdom and you might not find it.
There is no need for ctrl+f since there is a build-in search for countries.
I always saw the country list as a simple alphabetical index of coin issuing countries past and present. Now we have all of these sub lists that require one to scan the entire list to find Sarawak under Malaysia, Curacao under Netherlands and so on. I can see placing provinces and states under corresponding countries but I don't consider this new format as being user friendly. What happened to keeping things simple.
I agree it starts to get harder to find some countries, so I like the idea to have a button open/close all subs, maybe even in 2 levels, open/close all subsub. So on top Germany, sub German States, subsub Baden, or sub Notgeld, subsub Bremen, etc
To save space/lines remove 'see sub-section' by ► before the country, is a good idea too!
it would be great if, in this case, you also could klick "Yemen" which shows you ALL coins of Yemen, including subs, or klick on "South Yemen" and see all coins of South Arabia AND Yemen People's Democratic Republic.
for Yemen I should prefer just 1 level with 5 subs, North/south doesn't matter so much to me.
From reactions (here and french forum) I see two things are needed:
1. Option to leave all subsections open
2. Option to have whole country list listed aphabetically
I must say that both these options were included in the general idea at the beginning. It will take some time though to deliver these. It took a month to get "country groups" and another one to get "sub-groups/3rd level countries" - you can see it at the Yemen example for now.
I like the changes that are on the way.
But I would rather have the country list look like this:
So no line 'See sub-sections' and if the name of the country exceeds one line, the second line should start behind the flag to make it more obvious that it is not another country.
Then I would also prefer that clicking on the headers would open the page with the coins belonging to all the sub-sections.
So clicking on Yemen (the "big" header) should show the coins from
Yemen - Arab Republic
South Arabia
Yemen - People's Democratic Republic
Yemen
Yemenite states
Clicking on South Yemen should show the coins from
South Arabia
Yemen - People's Democratic Republic
I don't know if this would be possible but it would help when searching for a coin if had had not to open dozens of pages before eventually finding the one you are looking for.
Seeing a lot of progress. Where are we in the whole picture? Are for example all German states going to be listed this way too ? Just would like to know what the end goal is. Are we waiting on a decision on the third level?
Yes, all those subcountries will be listed in this way. As people noted already there will probably be some change regarding 'see sub-section' placement.
Also, there should be option to see all subsections open at once, option to see all countries in alphabetical order and option to click "parent" country a be able see all coins from its subcountries.
We are holding back for now, because we would like to introduce modified country count - or rather there will be two counts, one for countries and one for issuing entities. (Because Canadian province was hardly a separate country, but it was different coin issuing entity)
Some countries will change its place in the process, some will lose their country status - hence we need new counter for entities, for people not going mad about it. On the other hand, there will be tons of new countries .
Can you give us another hint? Is it reasonable to think that Sealand, Seborga, Lundy. etc. will be counted as coin issuing entities? Will former Italian states Sicliy, Genoa, etc. German States Aachen, Baden, etc. as examples become countries?
That is reasonable to think so. Actually, these and Non-UN states are prime reasons for introducing secound count (for entities). Something does not really becomes country when Numista includes it in "country" list.
And yes, they will become countries. These are also main reasons for anticipated country count increase. I never did the count, but combined with Indian States, Islamic and Mongol states, Bohemian states, French feudal states, English first kingdoms Poland fiefs and Russian principalities and many more, I expect more than 300+ increase.
Me too! Watch and see my country count explode!
Loruca
Are there any currencies that should NOT became countries (beside obvious ones as second and third currencies of same states)? Additionally should there be any additional subcategories?
Me too! Watch and see my country count explode!
Loruca
Are there any currencies that should NOT became countries (beside obvious ones as second and third currencies of same states)? Additionally should there be any additional subcategories?
This is less of a suggestion and more of a question really, until we know the specifics of the changes and see other examples of similar issues, it's hard to say where they should go. But the 1848-9 revolutionary currencies, might be a headache. 1-2 year interruptions in the governments throughout italy due to localized revolutions led many newly formed temporarily independent governments to issue coins in their own name while keeping the previously existent currency names and values. These governments all fell rapidly when the previous governments were reinstated. Would these temporary currencies be included in the longer list (IE: papal states scudo 1799-1848, papal states scudo 1849, papal states scudo 1849-1868) or would they be separate? Based on the answer i can throw out other cases which would need to be dealt with. Other question, how do you deal with coins from the papal states? One big heading "papal states"? Or a drop down menu Papal states: Ferrara, Rome,Assisi, Ancona? or 10 different currencies: papal state Ferrara, Papal state Ancona Etc....
Loruca
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Once again are we able to weed out countries that have not issued circulating coins please just give us a button/tab to take out from country list, so that it is upto member if they want to include or not
Quote: "Eerovisser"Any updates? Haven't seen much progress. No new count yet and not and progress in country list either.
Many countries are now "in limbo" - agreed upon, waiting to be created. We are waiting for new count feature, so we do not mess up country count much.
Once again are we able to weed out countries that have not issued circulating coins please just give us a button/tab to take out from country list, so that it is upto member if they want to include or not
Such features are planned. Only Xavier can code the whole thing.
Quote: "eug"Can you tell us which countries are currently in limbo?
I can, under certain conditions.
1. List is only pre-agreed, which means there is no guarantee that this or that will finally show up in the list. However, most of them surely will. I just do not want to hear anything like: "I bought this for 300USD and now it is not in the country list!" You are responsible for your money.
2. The list in non-questionable. No questions - why there is/is not x/y or when will be this.
3. There is no guarrantee that X or Y will be included as "country" or "coin issuing entity".
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Riau
Duchy of Friedland
Breslau Bishopric
Olmutz Bishopric
Silesia
Duchy of Glatz (And other bohemian duchies - open Bohemia to see them)
Bohemian and Silesian cities (19 of them are there now, see Bohemia too)
WOW! Thank you for sharing this. I was not even aware that a lot of these countries existed. I will definitely have to reconsider my approach as to how I want to continue with my OFEC collection. Can't wait for the start of implementation of the new list. (This was not a question)
This is very much first few that came into our sight. Most of them are from Central Europe, since that was easy to build and defend for me, as I know quite enough of them. Some referees are already building own lists of states to emerge, but it is hard (or rather time-consuming) for me to find about them. German, Italian states will also go in the first phases.
jarcek, thank you so much for your information. Looking forward to see all the impovment. And hoping that the new country count will be implemented soon. Thanks to all team members working on this.
Quote: "eug"WOW! Thank you for sharing this. I was not even aware that a lot of these countries existed. I will definitely have to reconsider my approach as to how I want to continue with my OFEC collection. Can't wait for the start of implementation of the new list. (This was not a question)
Wow, so many countries I have never heard of but I look forward to learning all about them.
Are any of you folks available for hire as a shopping consultant?
Concerning Massalia, we've already some Ancient countries talks, and we will probably move Massalia from Gaul to Greece as Massalia a Greek city. This is also valid fot similar colonies (I already added my Carthago Nova colonial coin to Carthage instead of Hispania) which will be moved to Greece or Roman Provinces depending on the status of each city at their concerned time.
Concerning Avignon, I have to speak about these with the referee of France - Feudal, as I know there are coins from territories under Papal rule there. However, there is still a long-time debate about how to classify coins from some Medieval territories no more part of a country and classified in their modern countries (or separate) like Corse (initially an Italian state, an independant state for a few years and annexed by France since then) or Alsace (German state conquerred by France, as well as Lorraine which is listed alone as no more vassal for approx. 2 centuries, but also including other territories under German rule like the Bishoprics)... Medieval coinage has always been hard to classify.
Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Massalia it is a greek territory with Drachma as a currency so here I fully support moving that to Ancient Greek.
Regarding Avignon - well - it is like Kaliningrad now as an anclave of Russia in Eastern Europe. It was previously German territory, but now fully counted as Russia (and USSR previously). Königsberg and East Prussia was in different hands in the past. It is true.
I wonder that once it is at that moment truly Papal State city and counted by Krause as a part of Papal State, at least for this historical period - I would prefer to see that as Papal State - Avignon.
Other historical periods of Avignon might be as Feudal France for sure. :)
P.S. I have added my Massalian hemiobol as new coin cause 4 variants in Numista catalogue are not exactly that my variant without any E.T. under the bull described and/or visible. Please check.
Thank you!
P.P.S. Also my Avignon coin is waiting as new coin a referee as well.
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Administrateur du catalogue, référent de nombreuses nations antiques et de la Lorraine.
Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
