Quote: "jelle"I think it's nonsense not adding them, because coins are coins.
Most of us collect history, and you can't rewrite the history...
I agree.
I agree as well. Coins are coins.
Some people collect Third Reich coins, some not. Some people collect Soviet Union coins, some not. China, Belgian Congo, Vietnam etc.
The only difference is building up opinion of masses that is easier with Internet, phones, TV, radio and so on.
Quote: "jelle"I think it's nonsense not adding them, because coins are coins.
Most of us collect history, and you can't rewrite the history...
I agree.
I agree as well. Coins are coins.
Some people collect Third Reich coins, some not. Some people collect Soviet Union coins, some not. China, Belgian Congo, Vietnam etc.
The only difference is building up opinion of masses that is easier with Internet, phones, TV, radio and so on.
I even swapped third reich coins with someone from Israel... History is history, we all love that otherways we didn't collect coins...
I agree that coins are coins, but there's a difference between getting a Third Reich coin and encouraging people to buy coinage that is currently funding an extremist group.
History is history but this is not history yet.
I don't know if I mind them being added to the catalogue but I won't be adding any to my collection.
Quote: "jelle"I think it's nonsense not adding them, because coins are coins.
Most of us collect history, and you can't rewrite the history...
I agree.
I agree as well. Coins are coins.
Some people collect Third Reich coins, some not. Some people collect Soviet Union coins, some not. China, Belgian Congo, Vietnam etc.
The only difference is building up opinion of masses that is easier with Internet, phones, TV, radio and so on.
I even swapped third reich coins with someone from Israel... History is history, we all love that otherways we didn't collect coins...
There are so many bad moments in the history. But every bad moment comes to the end and then people may forget. Collecting coins never means being a part of that conflict or whatever it was.
Quote: "MonaSeaclaid"I agree that coins are coins, but there's a difference between getting a Third Reich coin and encouraging people to buy coinage that is currently funding an extremist group.
History is history but this is not history yet.
I don't know if I mind them being added to the catalogue but I won't be adding any to my collection.
I agree with this. What I think of is that if ISIS is eliminated, the ban of coins will be denounced. I may be wrong though.
So, guys, you're going to fight ISIS by:
- calling them Daesh;
- not adding their coins to the database.
Are you sure that's enough to kill the beast?
I strongly believe that Numista is a unique numismatic encyclopedia and it should remain the same. Science is science, nothing personal.
To make it clear: I don't have, for instance, a single coin from the Francoist regime - just don't want any of them. The only Third Reich coin in my collection is an aluminium trifle, perhaps a souvenir from West Prussia, where my great-grandfather was fighting the Nazis.
So, I'm certainly not a fan of that kind of items. But I'm a fan of science.
Quote: "druzhynets"We'll make sure those won't be added ;)
that's not good indeed, collect or not to collect, but if those coins were used/ meant to be used or simply tokens, they should go into the catalogue with the appropriate classification
this is not a place to impose a political view on others however well intentioned.
I hope the numista team does not unnecessarily become an obstacle
Some of them are already in Exonumia (added long time ago). I just wanted to give you this info as I deemed it interesting.
They can be added - to Exonumia, with proper disclaimer. (Maybe we should update existing ones, to include info that by buying one, people can actually commit a crime of funding terror group)
Quote: "Jarcek"Some of them are already in Exonumia (added long time ago). I just wanted to give you this info as I deemed it interesting.
They can be added - to Exonumia, with proper disclaimer. (Maybe we should update existing ones, to include info that by buying one, people can actually commit a crime of funding terror group)
yes I think it's pertinent too.
On the disclaimer, More information is almost always better than less.
Quote: "abstractor"So, guys, you're going to fight ISIS by:
- calling them Daesh;
- not adding their coins to the database.
Are you sure that's enough to kill the beast?
I strongly believe that Numista is a unique numismatic encyclopedia and it should remain the same. Science is science, nothing personal.
To make it clear: I don't have, for instance, a single coin from the Francoist regime - just don't want any of them. The only Third Reich coin in my collection is an aluminium trifle, perhaps a souvenir from West Prussia, where my great-grandfather was fighting the Nazis.
So, I'm certainly not a fan of that kind of items. But I'm a fan of science.
I don't think anyone here is under the illusion that the Numismatic database is going to affect that group. It's just an open discussion about their coinage.
I agree fully, that's what I skirted in my first post when I said that there's a difference between these coins and Third Reich coinage.
I wouldn't want the coins destroyed down the line. If we try to erase the past we'll just relive it, but I wouldn't want to do anything in the now that would help those people even in the smallest way.
It's rather melodramatic of many of you to call having one of these somehow equating to funding terrorism. If anyone here had one of these, I doubt very much they placed a call to Mosul and asked them about their shipping rates to order coins. No one who ever gets one, now or in the future is giving anything to them. If some of the people who are fighting over there found them, and brought them back to America or Europe with them and sold it to someone who sold it to someone else who sold it to someone else who you finally bought it from, no one's money is going to them. Somehow I doubt they've decided to set up a coin shop in whatever territory they still control to sell these for a profit.
No one who has one of these, now or in the future is funding terrorism or condoning their existence and virtually every collector has a coin from a place that also did horrific things and anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial.
The coins exist, so they belong in the catalog. Whether it goes under Exonumia or whether ISIS is decided to be a country is a different discussion that will no doubt be debated on here, but they exist.
I strongly recommend not to add these coin as these coins are not any part of history but part of a Ongoing conflict in Iraq Syria and day to day bombing in European countries, Pakistan, Bangladesh... everywhere.... Purchasing These coins or giving stories that some one has sold and again some has sold to someone is rubbish...adding this in this moment will only show that we support this and we recognize this blood she'd as not a conflict in a country may be when this conflict will over hopefully or 10,20,years from now it can be added...
If some members want these to be added than I will ask them do they will justify if Alqaeda osman coins be added?????? Hope the administration of numismatic will understand what I want to say...........
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Quote: "Tovarich"It's rather melodramatic of many of you to call having one of these somehow equating to funding terrorism. If anyone here had one of these, I doubt very much they placed a call to Mosul and asked them about their shipping rates to order coins. No one who ever gets one, now or in the future is giving anything to them. If some of the people who are fighting over there found them, and brought them back to America or Europe with them and sold it to someone who sold it to someone else who sold it to someone else who you finally bought it from, no one's money is going to them. Somehow I doubt they've decided to set up a coin shop in whatever territory they still control to sell these for a profit.
No one who has one of these, now or in the future is funding terrorism or condoning their existence and virtually every collector has a coin from a place that also did horrific things and anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial.
The coins exist, so they belong in the catalog. Whether it goes under Exonumia or whether ISIS is decided to be a country is a different discussion that will no doubt be debated on here, but they exist.
Having one of them does not equal support of terror. But there is possibility of doing so by obtaining one.
I will modify the disclaimers myself in near future, and I would like to end this discussion as this ventured somewhere I never wanted. There should be no discussion on political matters and surely not about Numista policy on these issues. I will ask moderator for a lock.
